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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    No one could have predicted.
    Oh, except me an almost every other liberal on this forum.
    the talk were always going to be difficult.
    That doesn't mean we don't hold them, and it doesn't mean we don't try..the alternative is a war if they start up again

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    the talk were always going to be difficult.
    That doesn't mean we don't hold them, and it doesn't mean we don't try..the alternative is a war if they start up again
    That doesn't comport with what you said in the recent past.

    You made a very definitive and confident statement just weeks ago....that the NK nuclear program was "soon to be dismantled".

    noise: "technically correct. ICBM with miniatriazation (warhead) cannot survive re-entry to US.
    The program is on hold, and soon to be dismantled"https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...10#post2423710
    I told you Trump boot lickers that your celebrations were premature, and it was way too early to spike the ball in the end zone.
    I told you the hapless, incompetent, dim witted trump did not have the capability to negotiate with hardened communist dictators.
    I told you that NK was probably going to take into account that Trump violated an international nuclear agreement with Iran, an agreement that was working.

    There is no point getting mad at me because I was right. Maybe you won't spike the ball in the end zone too early next time. Maybe you will reconsider giving Trump's boots a tongue bath in the future. Premature celebrations and wishful thinking is something we have all been guilty of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    That doesn't comport with what you said in the recent past.

    You made a very definitive and confident statement just weeks ago....that the NK nuclear program was "soon to be dismantled".



    I told you Trump boot lickers that your celebrations were premature, and it was way too early to spike the ball in the end zone.
    I told you the hapless, incompetent, dim witted trump did not have the capability to negotiate with hardened communist dictators.
    I told you that NK was probably going to take into account that Trump violated an international nuclear agreement with Iran, an agreement that was working.

    There is no point getting mad at me because I was right. Maybe you won't spike the ball in the end zone too early next time. Maybe you will reconsider giving Trump's boots a tongue bath in the future. Premature celebrations and wishful thinking is something we have all been guilty of.
    Mad? I've been on messages board for 15 years too. I recognize a melt down rant like this.
    I ignore the TDS and see if you have any real point to make

    I told you the hapless, incompetent, dim witted trump did not have the capability to negotiate with hardened communist dictators.
    still no negotiations, still only a statement understanding without a timeline. It's in a stall. see what happens.
    I noticed Kim couldn't get out of Singapore fast enough.
    I think he's overwhelmed with modern consumer tech.' He was a real deer in the headlights at the press conference

    "Nothing ventured nothing gained" < You and the so called anti-war left should be applauding this.
    Give Peace a Chance.

    There is no real antiwar left anymore.
    Democrats carry Libya, the radicals are too infected with Trump spite/hate to rationally agree tht
    talking is better then missile testing.
    noise: "technically correct. ICBM with miniatriazation (warhead) cannot survive re-entry to US.
    The program is on hold, and soon to be dismantled"https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...10#post2423710
    the ICBM missile testing is still on hold
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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    Mad? I've been on messages board for 15 years too. I recognize a melt down rant like this.
    I ignore the TDS and see if you have any real point to make

    still no negotiations, still only a statement understanding without a timeline. It's in a stall. see what happens.
    I noticed Kim couldn't get out of Singapore fast enough.
    I think he's overwhelmed with modern consumer tech.' He was a real deer in the headlights at the press conference

    "Nothing ventured nothing gained" < You and the so called anti-war left should be applauding this.
    Give Peace a Chance.

    There is no real antiwar left anymore.
    Democrats carry Libya, the radicals are too infected with Trump spite/hate to rationally agree tht
    talking is better then missile testing.
    the ICBM missile testing is still on hold
    It's intellectually dishonest to try to portray criticism of what happened as being "pro war" somehow.

    This was strictly amateur hour; it's okay to point that out, and still advocate for peace. Trump giving a ruthless dictator a stronger position is not what I consider to be "antiwar."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    It's intellectually dishonest to try to portray criticism of what happened as being "pro war" somehow.

    This was strictly amateur hour; it's okay to point that out, and still advocate for peace. Trump giving a ruthless dictator a stronger position is not what I consider to be "antiwar."
    I didn't say it was "pro war" -that is a ridiculous stance.
    I said the left has no real anti-war coalition anymore, except Bernie's aversion to America leadership
    (coalitions instead)..

    No it wasn't "amateur hour" it was 2 leaders of vastly different nations looking for a way out of war.

    NK of course wants it all (I'm not sure if Kim even wants modernization).
    But both are rational actors,and both were upping the stakes

    I realize many including Trump jumped the shark rhetoric, but exuberance for peace is ok for a bit too.

    Pompeo is gonna play this out, and he knows what he's doing. It's a process

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    North Korea complains that the US pushed too hard on denuclearization.

    I thought Rump told us it was a done deal!?!
    Bomb the shit out of them or just accept they have nukes. These are the only two options that have been on the table for over a decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    that was the blast test facility, not the"research center". They quit engine testing and field testing (ICBM).
    Learn something before you run your usual ignorant mouth

    How are we any safer?? are you fucking that stupid?? (yes-rhetorical)
    . we were issuing ultimatums as NK was firing missiles over Japan and threatened Guam..

    FFS. get a clue
    So how are we safer?
    What is different now?
    It is the responsibility of every American citizen to own a modern military rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    So how are we safer? What is different now?
    we were on an inevitable path to war. Now -not so much.
    Notice NK's rhetoric now - nowhere near as bellicose towards war. Talking / meeting reduced the tensions

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    we were on an inevitable path to war. Now -not so much.
    Notice NK's rhetoric now - nowhere near as bellicose towards war. Talking / meeting reduced the tensions
    Bullshit.

    Make up some more... speculations, liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    North Korea complains that the US pushed too hard on denuclearization.

    I thought Rump told us it was a done deal!?!
    Yep...its the fault of YOUR NATION, not the psycho midget dictator. Like I always say..... Liberals are the only politicians on earth who would bury themselves in order to prove they can use a shovel. It must be a GOOD THING when peace on the Korean Peninsula falls apart beside they HATE the person who is attempting to accomplish what the liberals have failed to accomplish in 80 years. It does not matter that the fake news has had a 95% rate of showing negative coverage with this attempted de'tente. What party represents the real WAR MONGERING?

    Don't look know but your BIGTORY and HATE is showing. Joseph Goebbels would be real proud of you fascists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Bullshit.

    Make up some more... speculations, liar.
    you never pay attention.
    Have you no memory of "pushing buttons", and ICBM's flying across Japan?

    If that trajectory hadn't changed, we'd be on a hair trigger -anything bad could have set off war.

    My gawd you are so full of TDS you can't even spot a flash point
    I don't know how you were diverted / You were perverted too
    I don't know how you were inverted / No one alerted you

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    you never pay attention.
    Have you no memory of "pushing buttons", and ICBM's flying across Japan?

    If that trajectory hadn't changed, we'd be on a hair trigger -anything bad could have set off war.

    My gawd you are so full of TDS you can't even spot a flash point
    Sure, fuck balls, whatever you say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    To be on the same world stage as Trump.
    Then he truly is nuts and Trump should walk away


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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Trump was always very clear, this is a 1 time opportunity for NK - the problem is China is cheating on sanctions
    and NK is emboldened to stick with the same..

    But we have risked nothing,and greatly reduced the chance for war so far at least
    It was not the first opportunity. The only risk of war came from Trump himself.

    We risked nothing, I agree. Trump's looks like a fool, but then that was already well established.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timshel View Post
    It was not the first opportunity. The only risk of war came from Trump himself. gn

    We risked nothing, I agree. Trump's looks like a fool, but then that was already well established.
    have no idea what you mean "not the first opportunity".
    It was under Trump. Obama's "strategic patience" just kicked the can down the road to Trump.

    Bear in mind NK is still an existential threat once they achieve reentry ICBMS and full miniaturization.
    That cannot be allowed to stand -hence the "inevitable war" path we were on.
    All that testing stopped,as well as booster engine design

    Bill Clinton gave billions. Trump risked nothing and got a pause in the hostilities with a chance for denuke.

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