Interesting Question: Can You Be A Strong Conservative And Support Gay Marriage?

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I've gotta jump - but I want to say that it's cool to be able to actually have a discussion with you, TD, even though we disagree. I'm not saying that in any kind of snarky way.

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Your dishonesty and strawmen are most certainly boring. But expected given your history on this forum.



You don't care about facts.



You're trapped inside your own strawman arguments you construct. That forces your dishonest avoidance of any questions posed to you. Those are the traditional role and purpose of marriage prior to government intervention, and, what is the reason gays need the institution of marriage.

The honest answer to these questions destroy your strawmen.



Poor Thing1; the sky is again falling when you cannot promote strawman claims and false narratives.

Just a last point - I'm not the one promoting a fertility test, or procreation (which you said was the main factor for marriage previously on this thread), which are both strawmen. Marriage, as we have seen, does not depend on fertility or procreation.

I believe you have things upside down. It is you and Bigdog who are promoting these ideas.

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By "the whole enchilada," do you mean equality and freedom for all people, instead of only for heterosexuals?

Polygamists are people too lol.

[Bigdog]

What "fertility test" is he referring to?

Do marriages today have a "fertility test" that couples need to pass?

The ONLY fertility test for marriage is that it be male and female.

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Polygamists are people too lol.

Speaking of strawmen.

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The ONLY fertility test for marriage is that it be male and female.

Can you link the fertility test you're referring to that people who want to get married need to pass?

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The feds have to ensure state laws don't violate rights. Rather than waste court time it's in the govs interest to settle it with a law.

There is no right, federal, state or local, to marriage.

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"Polygamists are people too lol." DO #243

Oscar Wilde said the penalty for bigamy is two wives.

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Speaking of strawmen.

Are you saying that polygamists don't have the same right to equality as faggots?

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PS

"There is no right, federal, state or local, to marriage." CM #247

- piffle -

It may not be a specifically enumerated Constitutional right.
But it is still protected by our Constitution, in Art.9 BOR.

B. O. R. ARTICLE #9: Ratified December 15, 1791
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

We had a right to marriage on July 3, 1776.
So we retain it today. Buck v. Bell and the Loving decision aside, government is not in a position to decline marriage license to eligible adults.

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What kind of "purpose" do you demand that marriages have?

More dishonesty; it has been explained numerous times to you on this thread. Why do you pretend it hasn't? Why all the strawmen?

When are you going to explain why gays need the institution of marriage?

You brought up the lack of purpose for elderly marriages.

That is a lie; you brought it up in a weak effort to promote your strawman.

Do you honestly thing that the only reason that people get married is to have kids & be parents?

No, my argument hasn't changed. The purpose and intent of marriage has always been about procreation and the factual knowledge that the best way to raise healthy children is through the devotion of the man and the woman to one another to raise their children.

People get married for a wide variety of reasons, all of which distill down to wanting to formalize their union in some way.

More strawmen; how does that matter in a debate over the purpose of marriage? They certainly don't need the institution of marriage if it is only about shacking up, do they?

Who are you & I to judge ANY of those reasons?

Another strawman, it isn't about judging. That is for a higher authority. It is about the continued breakdown of the family unit and institution of marriage which contributes to societal decay.

Again - if you think the ONLY purpose of marriage is to have kids and parent...would you deny marriages to the elderly? Would you deny marriages to others who cannot have children for whatever reason?

There you go again constructing strawmen a demanding we break them down. That's weak sauce.

I'm still waiting for you to explain why gays need the institution of marriage.

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I've gotta jump - but I want to say that it's cool to be able to actually have a discussion with you, TD, even though we disagree. I'm not saying that in any kind of snarky way.

It is in the spirit of a good cause you asked to institute.

[Bigdog]

He stated clearly the test was a man a d a woman. You're desperate flailing and strawmen aside, why do cats need the institution of marriage?

Thingy does not know that what we now call "the honeymoon" was an integral part of marriage. A time period, lasting a full menstrual cycle, where the new bride was forbidden to see ANY man other than her husband, ... in order to guarantee that the husband would be the father of any child produced.

[Bigdog]

Can you link the fertility test you're referring to that people who want to get married need to pass?

Yes, ... thousands of years of human history defining marriage as male and female.

The scotus declared it to be a bigoted institution. On those grounds, they should have banned it from any gov't recognition.

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"No, my argument hasn't changed. The purpose and intent of marriage has always been about procreation" TD #251

Piffle.

a) There was procreation many millions of years before there was marriage.

b) There is extramarital procreation to this day. And the stigma of bastardy has subsided. Some reports of Western Europe indicate marriage has become passe.

Children in the backseat can cause accidents.
Accidents in the backseat can cause children.