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Thread: If We Want to End the Border Crisis, It’s Time to Give Trump His Wall

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuke View Post
    put youself in the shoes of the angel families brother rune and empathize with them. Dont be a sociopath
    Kill yourself poisonous troll
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuke View Post
    put youself in the shoes of the angel families brother rune and empathize with them. Dont be a sociopath
    Appeal to emotions fallacy and ad hominem attack.

    Next!


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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    Democrats need to accept that they lost the last presidential election
    That won't happen, will it?

    Apparently "the resistance" is now celebrating denying service to employees of the Administration.

    What's next? Refusing to pump gas for Republicans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    One can only imagine the shenanigans that go on with the coyotes when minors are involved.

    We need to deter them—for their own good, and we need to protect our own borders.
    The road to hell is paved with the skills of liars like you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Appeal to emotions fallacy and ad hominem attack.Next!
    You tried a logical fallacy yesterday yourself. Twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Kill yourself poisonous troll
    I apologize for bringing up inconvenient truths brother rune
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    I fail to see what an insult contest accomplishes.

    As soon as we lose respect for one another then rational conversation is no longer possible.


    One must respect the person before they can lose that respect. Need I say more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    You could think of the last week as a solid victory for the Democrats and for basic human decency. An utterly indefensible and morally foul policy of separating children from their parents is over for now. Trump backed down amid a torrent of his usual lies and refusal to take responsibility for anything. We found a line even today’s GOP would not cross (although we also found plenty who were indeed prepared to cross it).

    But it is emphatically not the end of this story, not simply because there are more than 2,000 children still apart from their families, with very little hope of ever finding their parents again, but because none of the underlying reasons for this atrocity in the first place have been addressed. Nor are they likely to be addressed in the Congress today, as one of the latest GOP immigration bills staggers toward failure. Nor do the Democrats seem able, willing, or united enough to tackle the problem at its source, by finding a legislative compromise with the GOP and president, on both legal and illegal immigration. That means families in cages multiplying in the future; it means more endangered children; it means an even deeper coarsening of our moral values; it means more and more people in limbo; it means genuine refugees losing asylum and being deported back to their nightmares; and it portends even greater polarization ahead.

    The reason for that is simple: The United States has not allocated the resources, political and financial, to stem the wave of illegal immigrants into this country that is now rising again, or to enable genuine asylum cases to be adjudicated fairly and expeditiously. Our political system — incapacitated by tribalism — has been incapable of addressing the intensifying problem since the Bush administration. Obama was trapped by the same impasse as Trump now is, and detained families in camps. And the problem is acute. There are almost a third of a million asylum cases pending in the system; and, as David Frum has noted, it now takes up to nine months to process a single one. We also know that the Flores settlement that bars any detention of children with their parents past 20 days has not been invalidated or legislatively fixed.

    Which means to say that in less than three weeks, we will be here again, with another excruciating dilemma. Do we set up vast tent cities and camps to imprison families indefinitely, or do we simply let these families go free, and hope they show up for a future court date? Either way, we solve nothing fundamental and leave a huge incentive for those trying to enter the U.S. illegally to bring children with them when they do. And that does happen. There is fraud and trafficking and opportunism as well as valid family-based escapes from violence and persecution, and it can be hard to tell one from the other.

    As in everything, Trump makes things worse. His rhetoric, his callousness, his wanton lies all make a compromise harder. It’s completely understandable that Democrats do not wish to let him off the hook in any way before November. But there’s a big conflict here if you actually want to end the suffering, or get at the real problem. If you do not want to jail kids with their parents indefinitely, or to maintain the incentive for illegal migrants to bring kids along for the harrowing ride, you need some sort of congressional action and soon. There’s something deeply wrong, it seems to me, with expressing the view that what the government is doing is barbaric and yet allowing the underlying cause of it to continue for political reasons. If that’s the case, then Trump is not the only one using kids as pawns. Chuck Schumer is too.

    The Democrats need to accept that they lost the last presidential election for a reason, and that their opponent’s main campaign pledge was to tackle illegal immigration, with a wall at the southern border as the centerpiece. Completely resisting a legitimate agenda based on a clear campaign promise — well, it reminds me of the Republicans with Obamacare.

    And there is clearly an adamant, persistent segment of the public that sees the crisis of illegal immigration as a vital one. They’re not alone. Cast an eye at Brexit Britain, newly populist Italy, Macron’s France, and even Merkel’s Germany as it heaves in response to mass immigration from the developing world. This is a huge force in Western politics in every country. It may be the primary one. Millions of people are on the move right now, fleeing war and poverty and persecution. The vast migration from south to north, from poverty and chaos to opportunity and order in the West may be just beginning. Climate change will surely only make it worse. Finding the right balance between reason and compassion is essential if we are not going to further tear this country apart, or witness ever more humanitarian catastrophes, or see what’s left of the West go under.

    So give him his fucking wall. He won the election. He is owed this. It may never be completed; it may not work, as hoped. But it is now the only way to reassure a critical mass of Americans that mass immigration is under control, and the only way to make any progress under this president. And until the white working and middle classes are reassured, we will get nowhere. Don’t give it to him for nothing, of course. It should come with a full path to citizenship for all DACA immigrants, as in the proposed deal in January that Trump first liked and then reneged on, under Miller’s toxic influence. But it should also go bigger: a legislative fix for Flores; massive new funding for detention facilities, humane family-friendly housing, and, above all, much more money for the immigration legal system, now completely overwhelmed by asylum cases. If Democrats can show they want to deal with the humanitarian problem as a whole, and are willing to compromise on the wall, they’ll be in a much stronger position going forward than in the recent past.*
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    More Right-Wing Identity Politics. White and American just don't sell to the masses as well as they once did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    The road to hell is paved with the skills of liars like you.
    what exactly was brother Dar Th Omar lying about brother Rune?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    Um, no, that just makes things worse. A wall doesn't deter anyway, so a wall would be one of the biggest wastes of a lot of money, in US history. What do you think the swift current of the Rio Grande, and arid as heck desert equates anyway? Those barriers don't stop things, and the Rio Grande is life threatening, whereas a wall is just there.
    So what's your solution then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuke View Post
    what exactly was brother Dar Th Omar lying about brother Rune?
    I get called a liar, without anything to back up the claim, at least twice a day, comrade.

    They are liars by their own standards lol. So I ignore them and move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    So what's your solution then?
    Basically, make it easier on the people who try to enter the country illegally lol.

    About half the country have lost their minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    I get called a liar, without anything to back up the claim, at least twice a day, comrade.

    They are liars by their own standards lol. So I ignore them and move on.
    brother Rune would not do that. I am sure he will be replying soon. We have to show empathy and wait for his reply. We shouldnt be like sociopathic Democrats who cant empathize with these angel families.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    So what's your solution then?
    we could come up with something like a permanent or final solution to this latin problem. We could put the illegals that we catch in temporary holding facilities or camps, clean them up maybe give them food and a shower, and then send them on their way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    Yea Jade the Rio Grande is so life threating no one would dare try to cross it.





    Also the wall Israel built seems to work pretty effectively for the most part. The Berlin wall was very effective, the Great Wall of China worked well. But you know best.
    There is also the wall on the Syrian border with Turkey, Egypt and the Gaza Strip, Hungary and Serbia, Bulgaria and Turkey to name a few.

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