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    Easy to stop most illegals, go after those who hire them. A business cannot run away. But we don't really want to eliminate workers who keep wages down and profits up. It is those horrible illegals who force the poor powerless owners to employ them. Of course we will not stop them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Easy to stop most illegals, go after those who hire them. A business cannot run away. But we don't really want to eliminate workers who keep wages down and profits up. It is those horrible illegals who force the poor powerless owners to employ them. Of course we will not stop them.
    They use fake SS numbers to get on-the-books jobs or they work for cash in jobs that aren't at the same location every day(construction, harvesting). Enforcement at the business level is not practical compared to just a border to monitor. Do the math, LOL if you're capable. You're talking about millions of government agents to handle the huge numbers of businesses compared to watching the border. We can fly drones for hours with infrared vision to spot them.

    Seriously, you are devoid of any logistical logic. You must have a very limited set of skills, because you don't know shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    They use fake SS numbers to get on-the-books jobs or they work for cash in jobs that aren't at the same location every day(construction, harvesting). Enforcement at the business level is not practical compared to just a border to monitor. Do the math, LOL if you're capable. You're talking about millions of government agents to handle the huge numbers of businesses compared to watching the border. We can fly drones for hours with infrared vision to spot them.

    Seriously, you are devoid of any logistical logic. You must have a very limited set of skills, because you don't know shit.
    No they don't. Not that it ever happens but a person who cannot speak English should engender suspicion. Businessman take away their papers and cheat them out of the money they earn, even though it is so small. There are big employers who set up communities of immigrants to avoid paying fair wages. https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12...migrant-labor/ and https://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/20/u...l-workers.html

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    Is entering a country without its permission a wrong thing to do?
    Not if you have United Nations consent under a Chapter VII Security Council Resolution.
    Otherwise you're an illegal invader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    A simple question.

    yes it is a wrong thing to do but when the gang tells you to join them or die you grab your kid and go north.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    No they don't. Not that it ever happens but a person who cannot speak English should engender suspicion. Businessman take away their papers and cheat them out of the money they earn, even though it is so small. There are big employers who set up communities of immigrants to avoid paying fair wages. https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12...migrant-labor/ and https://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/20/u...l-workers.html
    Takes away what papers? What communities do they set up? And have you bothered to read both those articles. Even the one from 2001.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    The question wasn't about illegals entering the US. The OP could have asked that question, but tried to play cute reacted in the same holier than thou way about my response and now either has to take the position on their "simple question" that entering a country without permission is wrong and therefore our troops are wrong every time they go down range or take the position it isn't wrong to enter another country without permission in which case they have blown their whole Xenophobia out of the water. I await @Tinfoil responding to his own question since he cannot have it both ways.
    A red herring. The military doesn't decide where to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoil View Post
    A simple question.

    In Iran, they put you in prison.. We didn't do that until Trump came along and decided to detain and prosecute.

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    Q. What is a Credible Fear of Persecution?
    A. A “significant possibility” that you can establish in a hearing before an Immigration Judge that you have been persecuted or have a well-founded fear of persecution on account of your race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion if returned to your country.

    Q. What Is a Credible Fear of Torture?
    A. A “significant possibility” that you can establish in a hearing before an Immigration Judge that you would be subject to torture if returned to your country (see definition of Torture in the “Glossary” page).

    https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/r...fear-screening

    no economics, no fear your kids will join gang..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Controlled Opposition View Post
    A red herring. The military doesn't decide where to go.
    The enter the country they invade without the permission of the country being invaded. That is precisely on point to the question asked whether you like it or not, whether it is convenient or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    The enter the country they invade without the permission of the country being invaded. That is precisely on point to the question asked whether you like it or not, whether it is convenient or not.
    You have a poor grasp of the way these things work. The military doesn't make foreign policy. It does what it is ordered to do. So stop your worship of the military and militarism. Perhaps it would help if you remember that the Pentagon has, "lost" enough money to equal the national debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    The enter the country they invade without the permission of the country being invaded. That is precisely on point to the question asked whether you like it or not, whether it is convenient or not.
    OK!!

    Seeing as how you have failed to think your responses through, I will now school you.

    Since you want to equate the illegal immigrants to that of an invading army, we'll go with that.

    Now that the illegal immigrants are "invading" the US, we should take up arms against them.

    The question is, do we just fire into the invading masses, use bombs, or maybe place land mines at our border.

    We can then take the remaining invaders or those who surrender, into Military POW camps and keep them there until the invasions stop.

    We are probably going to need to send US forces into Mexico, until the President of Mexico sues for Peace and then we can trade the POWs for any of our captured troops.

    Maybe as part of the Peace agreement, we can have Mexico turn over acreage as part of their apology for invading the US.

    Do you still want to continue to compare an invading army to that of the illegal immigrants?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Takes away what papers? What communities do they set up? And have you bothered to read both those articles. Even the one from 2001.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/business...-taxes/499604/ Those papers. You also can buy a green card. http://www.harmonleon.com/greencard/ I bore talking to idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    OK!!

    Seeing as how you have failed to think your responses through, I will now school you.
    Moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    authorities received her "travel documents" three days after her arrest, but it wasn't until days later that both Canadian and American immigration officials determined she could enter Canada. She remained in custody for a total of two weeks.
    Truly weird! She is a French citizen just visiting her mother.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44588643#
    Last edited by cancel2 2022; 06-24-2018 at 02:02 AM.

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