"2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"
If you are too ignorant to see the difference between what you were saying I said...
...AND WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID...
...then you really should not be participating in an Internet forum.
ANYONE WHO DID NOT ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORT HILLARY CLINTON IN THE LAST ELECTION...
...helped get Donald Trump elected.
That is not the same as, "if more people had voted for Hillary, and not the third parties, she would have won."
And the difference is MORE than just the words.
Think about it...if you are able to think.
"2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"
"2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"
Again you demonstrate your ignorance, and desperation. I don't believe that religion should be the basis of laws. I do believe religion is the basis for morality (something you know little of). But then too, you have said nothing that speaks to "religion", or any moral issue much less the "reality of existence". Since you think of yourself as being "intelligent" I would suggest you post something related to the "reality of existence". Or are you going to rely on sheer stupidity.
"2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"
Easy, it is to provide girls with the ability to make their own decisions. Almost nobody wants an abortion. It is desperate and lonely women making a tough and necessary decision. I doubt there are many that make that choice easily. Once they do, it is what they think is best for them and their lives. Note: you do not fit in that decision making. You know nothing about them, but from far away, you assume you have that right. The grandiose thinking that requires is stagering. It is aslo a legal medical procedure.
Frank Apisa (07-23-2018)
religion is morality?
justifying moral views because a god says so is inherently flawed.
Morality exists outside of religion. As a matter of fact, religion does nothing short but create a complete relativistic conundrum as to how to lead a moral life. Most individuals are endowed with the capacity to be moral (psychopaths are void of some important moral sentiments) without the requisite belief in an invisible deity.
The following is a good piece on rationality and morality
This is an all-important lesson that humanity must learn: Religion is hazardous to your health.
Unfortunately, conventional views of religion hold just the opposite. Many people believe that religion is the necessary basis of morality—that without belief in God, there can be no ethics, no right or wrong. A character in Dostoyevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov famously expressed this view: “In a world without God, all things become permissible.” In the 21st century, many people still believe this.
But the converse is true. A rational, fact-based, life-promoting morality is impossible on religious premises. Indeed, religion clashes with every rational principle and factual requirement of a proper, life-advancing ethics. A proper ethics, one capable of promoting flourishing human life on earth, requires the utter repudiation of religion—of all of its premises, tenets, implications, and consequences.
https://www.theobjectivestandard.com...rsus-morality/
“If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we’d rather be alive and have the bad image.”
— Golda Meir
Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.
ברוך השם
Frank Apisa (07-23-2018)
Religion is a nasty business competing for membership and gathering all the money and power they can. Yeah, the Muslims and Catholics are so religious. They are turning people away. We have had religious wars for thousands of years. They are not where you learn morality. It is where you go to be propagandized through inculcation. It is cruel that do that to children and scare the "hell"out of them. I have no respect for religions. They do not deserve it.
Religions are twisted copies of the Hammurabi Code. Truth is we have to have rules to live in large groups. Society set those up long before religions.
Guno צְבִי (07-22-2018)
Again you resort to the baseless claim of letting the whore make her own decision as if no moral concept is involved. Is anyone so stupid as to think that she does not know that by having sex there is a good chance she will become pregnant, and the choice she made prior to having sex should (and usually doesn't) take that into consideration?
"2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"
Strange how when one tries to discuss religion most assume that it has to do with a superior being, and thus ignore the complete definition:
"2: a particular system of faith and worship.
3: a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance."
And, then following the usual tradition of the non-believer, they cite some inane theory such as " Religion is hazardous to your health." Now I can understand how some might feel that way if they are trying to justify some form of immoral behavior such as abortion, pedophilia, murder, incest, lying, stealing, and a whole list of various actions that society has over the generations determined to be "immoral". And understand, it was not just one individual exercising some form of "ethics" that brought this about.
But to your other fallacious point: "A proper ethics, one capable of promoting flourishing human life on earth, requires the utter repudiation of religion—of all of its premises, tenets, implications, and consequences." in times past that very concept was practiced, and led only to enslavement of the many resulting in crimes against humanity of the most vile kind. It is not the concept of a God fearing religion that is the danger, it is when man perverts that religion as ISIS has done, as the slave owners of early America did, and as Atheists throughout history have done.
And as you are trying to do now.
"2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"
Strange how when one tries to discuss religion most assume that it has to do with a superior being, and thus ignore the complete definition:
"2: a particular system of faith and worship.
3: a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance."
And, then following the usual tradition of the non-believer, they cite some inane theory such as " Religion is hazardous to your health." Now I can understand how some might feel that way if they are trying to justify some form of immoral behavior such as abortion, pedophilia, murder, incest, lying, stealing, and a whole list of various actions that society has over the generations determined to be "immoral". And understand, it was not just one individual exercising some form of "ethics" that brought this about.
But to your other fallacious point: "A proper ethics, one capable of promoting flourishing human life on earth, requires the utter repudiation of religion—of all of its premises, tenets, implications, and consequences." in times past that very concept was practiced, and led only to enslavement of the many resulting in crimes against humanity of the most vile kind. It is not the concept of a God fearing religion that is the danger, it is when man perverts that religion as ISIS has done, as the slave owners of early America did, and as Atheists throughout history have done.
And as you are trying to do now.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi..._b_865500.html
"2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"
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