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    Obama said in a 2015 interview to CBS News that he learned about it "the same time everybody else learned it, through news reports."

    Press Secretary Josh Earnest acknowledged shortly after those remarks attracted attention that Obama and Clinton did exchange emails.

    "The president, as I think many people expected, did over the course of his first several years in office, trade emails with the secretary of state," he said.

    Despite speculation at the time that the president would have noticed Clinton was not using a ".gov" account, Earnest said Obama nevertheless was unaware of Clinton's personal email server and how she was following federal records law.

    Elsewhere in the IG report, the IG asked investigators why they made no effort to obtain the personal devices that Clinton’s senior aides were using at the State Department, since those devices were "potential sources of Clinton's classified emails" or places where unauthorized classified emails were being stored.

    In response, officials on the probe claimed that "the culture of mishandling classified information at the State Department" was so pervasive that it "made the quantity of potential sources of evidence particularly vast," a rationale that the IG implied was unconvincing, because investigators could simply have obtained personal devices for a handful of key Clinton aides.

    Investigators also claimed the State Department would be the better agency to handle that kind of deep-dive into Clinton's emails.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/14/obama-had-direct-contact-with-clinton-on-private-email-server-ig-report.html

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    Powell used a private server. That is how it was done until Hillary. Then it became a crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ugly Truth View Post
    You are too stupid to live. Her email address alone would have told him it was an unsecured server. He knew. Check mate.
    She was using the one Bill had in their home. That is not just a regular server. You probably don't know it, but he was president. She also paid for a pro to set one up. Hillary did not know what a server was, and probably still does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdberg View Post
    Powell used a private server. That is how it was done until Hillary. Then it became a crime.
    Is that so?

    Federal law states that certain emails written or received by federal employees become government records and therefore must be retained.

    First and foremost, you should avoid using your personal email to conduct official business. Agencies will generally allow employees to use personal emails when there is an emergency situation and official email accounts are not available. In that case, any emails dealing with official business must be kept in accordance with Federal Records law.

    There are three main types of emails, as far as Federal Records law is concerned: transitory, short-term, and long-term. Most emails are considered “transitory” meaning they will be kept for fewer than 90 days (basically, until they are no longer useful).

    • Transitory emails include: information requests that don’t require policy decisions or administrative action; memoranda that do not involve official actions (like office closings), reminders or to-do lists, information about routine activities that contain no substantive information (meeting reminders, visit or training scheduling), emails that are personal in nature and involve no official business, and reference materials that do not warrant long-term preservation.
    • Short-term emails are kept for approximately 90 days to one year and contain minimal or no documentary value. These emails can be left on a shared drive or in an email folder until they are disposed after they are no longer useful. Short-term emails include general administrative emails, emails that do not require action, or emails that do not document specific agency functions.
    • Long-term emails are those that will be kept for more than a year and must be transferred to the National Archive and Records Administration (NARA). These include: emails that document actions undertaken during an emergency situation or in response to a disaster; emails documenting important program or project decisions if there is no likelihood that the decisions about the project were documented elsewhere; records of programs or projects that require a decision or administrative action; emails relating to an individual’s affairs that do not contain information on agency actions or activities (including invitations to meetings, discussions about a person’s working schedule, memoranda used only as a reference, personal messages that do not have anything to do with the agency, etc.). These emails should be deleted as soon as they are no longer needed.

    When you receive an email, ask yourself if you should delete, save, or print based on whether it is transitory, short-term, or long-term. Transitory emails should be deleted once they are no longer needed. Short-term emails can be saved in a shared drive or in an email folder for less than a year. Any documents that need to be retained after that point should be printed out and filed based on NARA procedures. Once this email is printed, you can delete the electronic version.
    Your agency likely has its own specifications as to how emails should be preserved. If you have an email that meets the Federal Records standards, Microsoft Outlook might have a Convert to Archive button for you to use. From there, you can send the message to the archive. When sending to the archive, be sure to remove any non-business related personal messages contained within the email.

    When you dispose of emails that are considered Federal Records, you must do so in accordance with an approved records schedule. Your agency or the NARA General Records Schedule can provide guidelines specific to your records.
    If you are on a group email, for example if your team is discussing a project, one person should be assigned as responsible for filing the email as a Federal Record, if necessary.
    Emails that meet the Federal Record guidelines should contain as much information in the subject line as possible.

    Don’t mix personal and professional topics in the same email (you never want to have your embarrassing secrets released to the public under a FOIA request!). That said, you’re better off sending personal emails from your private email account. If you do use your government account to send a message that is personal in nature, it is important to make sure that what you are saying is not construed as an official position of your agency. If you believe their might be confusion, include a disclaimer like “The views expressed in this email are solely those of the sender and do not reflect the views of [your agency] or the U.S. government.”

    If you decide to turn a non Federal Record email into one (for example, if the conversation changes), you must notify the other individual or individuals on the email chain and apply appropriate markings. When in doubt, error on the side of caution and retain your email, ask your supervisor, or contact the NARA directly.

    Each agency has standards in addition to what is legally required for Federal Records. This might include specific messages that must appear at the bottom of each email or how emails containing classified information should be handled.

    The Bureau of Administration has a Records Management website that can provide additional information.


    https://www.archives.gov/records-mgmt/laws

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdberg View Post
    She was using the one Bill had in their home. That is not just a regular server. You probably don't know it, but he was president. She also paid for a pro to set one up. Hillary did not know what a server was, and probably still does not.
    Do you just make stuff up?

    The Federal Records Act and the Presidential Records Act: What Are These Things?

    Both the President and the Vice President, as well as certain highly placed officials throughout the executive branch, routinely create documents or other material, or respond to correspondence, that the law deems a “public record.” For the White House, the law governing that designation is the Presidential Records Act (1978). Its predecessor and model, the Federal Records Act of 1950, determines what is an official federal record for all other executive agencies. To the best of my knowledge, every agency subject to the Federal Records Act has a Senior Agency Official for Records Management (SAORM, or some variation of that title) responsible for the initial preservation of federal public records.

    Relative to the enormous amount of material produced by any given executive agency, the small number of items designated a federal record would surprise most people. Even more surprising is that most of those items categorized as “federal record” are ultimately destroyed — an unhappy concession, at least for the inquisitive, to the unwieldy terabytes of data and reams of paper the US government produces on a daily basis. In the end, most public records are lost to history.

    But not before the SAORM puts a scheduled record preservation and destruction plan in front of the National Archives and Records Administration for review. Significantly, there is an interval of time that falls between the identification of a federal record and its ultimate fate — preservation or destruction. This period of time winds up being crucial, since the determination of what is a “federal record” establishes the universe of material eligible for Freedom of Information Act requests. If public, a record may be obtained by any party filing a FOIA request, unless it meets the law’s definition of information that may be withheld. Much of what can be obtained via FOIA requests will ultimately be destroyed, so it is incumbent upon researchers and advocates to file requests in a targeted and timely fashion.

    Likewise, any person who takes a very senior position in a federal agency — like Secretary of State — can expect all government-related emails to be archived, at least initially, as a federal record. If that person chooses to use a personal email (like gmail.com), they should expect that a Freedom of Information Act request, or even a request for information from Congress, will entail the SAORM of their agency retrieving all public records from her account. Hopefully, that senior official complied with archiving guidance by forwarding these emails to their official account and tagging them as “official” in real time. If not, or if there is any dispute over the comprehensiveness of the record, then the SAORM or his or her designees will screen that person’s personal email account to identify and retrieve federal records.

    This quote, taken from the FBI’s report on its investigation into the Clinton email server, demonstrates that cabinet-level appointees are acutely aware that doing official business on personal email accounts (including those tied to mobile devices, like a BlackBerry) would render those records “subject to the law.” It is critical to note that former Secretary of State Colin Powell is not warning Hillary Clinton that use of her BlackBerry to conduct State Department business would mean that material on the device would one day be stored at the National Archives. (Personally I would take some satisfaction if government officials feared historians to an extent that required circumspection. But they don’t.) Here Powell is instead cautioning Clinton that her BlackBerry could become subject to a FOIA or congressional request, and that all the material on it would have to be screened for relevance. The operative concern was not posterity, but partisans.

    It may surprise you to learn that Hillary Clinton has never had a personal email problem. She has had only one problem with regard to public records management and the potential unauthorized transmission or storage of classified information: an email server.

    Had Hillary Clinton simply used a personal email account for public business while serving as Secretary of State, she would have been in violation of explicit State Department policy, but any meritorious legal request for documents would be served to the company hosting her email service. At that point, a SAORM or other third party would filter through her email and identify responsive records. Likewise, any concerns regarding the potential transmission of classified information, intentional or otherwise, would involve obtaining and identifying classified information from the same universe of records, as well as uncovering any security breaches via inspection of that company’s log-in records or a potential phishing scams.

    Naturally, Secretaries of State and others with classified clearance are not supposed to use anything but official channels with secure protocols to send and receive classified information. By all available evidence, Secretary Hillary Clinton was a responsible custodian of classified protocols. Nevertheless, mistakes happen. A staff person may send an email outside secure channels citing a news article that relies on classified information, for example; or an email may contain information that is classified after-the-fact. None of these present dire ramifications, nor do minor incidents like this trouble any reasonable person.

    On the other hand, a server is a different from an email account. It is a physical piece of hardware that can be configured to host one or more domains that can in turn serve as host to an email service. Clinton did not simply have a private email account; she had her own server — with several domains, including a couple intended for President Bill Clinton and his staff. That server (and its retired predecessors) has never been in the hands of an SAORM or other public official, including the FBI, prior to being wiped of information by Clinton’s tech team. Using its own technical capabilities and some secondary sources, the FBI recovered some information from those servers. They did not get it all, and no one ever will.

    By intentionally destroying all independent routes of access to the server, and all remaining emails, Clinton and her surrogates acted as judge and jury in what was in effect her own trial.

    Such a preemptive use of power could never happen in a case of personal email use, and the (annoyingly) frequent analogies to such cases are inapt.

    For example, one commonly cited scenario compared to Clinton’s server came in 2007, when it became known that some Bush administration advisers used an email domain hosted by the Republican National Committee for what they deemed “political” (not official) business. Contrary to that justification, they did in fact discuss official matters in this venue, some of which fell under the Presidential Records Act.

    When Congress demanded that the White House surrender all emails that qualified as public records from the RNC accounts, the White House claimed to have lost many of them as a result of improper archiving. The Obama administration searched a little harder, prodded by a lawsuit inherited from the Bush era, and ultimately found the missing emails on “recovery tapes.”

    As far as I know, the National Archives is still in the process of screening the data source for public records. This time-consuming process, while frustrating, is notably superior to the RNC, or Karl Rove, determining what does and does not qualify as a public record, and then destroying whatever remaining records they deemed “private.”

    If public business is conducted on a personal account, a private domain, or a private server, and those exchanges are not disclosed, archived, or handled properly, then it is obvious — to all but Clinton and her devoted defenders — that the National Archives or a SAORM, with no partisan axe to grind, should sort out the remainder of material. Naturally it is also self-evident that such material be preserved until that sorting takes place.

    In fact, if any unvetted items happen to be federal records, it is against the law to destroy them (18 U.S.C. Section 2071).


    https://medium.com/@kfrydl/hillary-clintons-private-email-server-4e799a298eaf

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    Fuck no i did not make it up. Is Trumps tweeting protected? This latest trail of right wing tears is just that the latest. This subject was exhausted years ago. Get up to date. Trump is doing worse every day. https://apnews.com/11a48fde81634789b1cc361696693b68 and https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/01/...cured-devices/ Give it a break.

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    Is Trump tweeting on a protected server? Or is he deciding policy and acting a fool in a open public forum?

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