Krugman on the fall of the American empire

[Irish Exit]

That's why the North had the decency to not import an unwanted people.

Then why was 1/5 of New York City's population slaves?

[PoliTalker]

Hello aloysious,

I can't conceive how anyone of any decency would care to play a round of golf with you.

There are a lot of decent people in this country who can't afford to play a round of golf with anybody.

[PoliTalker]

It is not so much the fall of the 'American Empire' as it is the rise of the rest of the world.

At the end of WWII, it is only logical that the USA was on top. We were one of the few industrialized nations which was NOT bombed to smithereens.

We had a HUGE HEAD START on the rest of the industrial world.

So now the rest of the world has caught up.

American exceptionalists can't stand it. Their problem is they believed the BS that America, and Americans, were 'better' than the rest of the world. Baloney. It was geography. It was just physically impossible to mount any kind of large attack on the US homeland.

Having your nation intact is a huge advantage over having your nation utterly destroyed.

[Frank Apisa]

Link?
You have shit to debate with.
Completely worthless.

And you are engaging me...why?

[Frank Apisa]

It is not so much the fall of the 'American Empire' as it is the rise of the rest of the world.

At the end of WWII, it is only logical that the USA was on top. We were one of the few industrialized nations which was NOT bombed to smithereens.

We had a HUGE HEAD START on the rest of the industrial world.

So now the rest of the world has caught up.

American exceptionalists can't stand it. Their problem is they believed the BS that America, and Americans, were 'better' than the rest of the world. Baloney. It was geography. It was just physically impossible to mount any kind of large attack on the US homeland.

Having your nation intact is a huge advantage over having your nation utterly destroyed.

Excellent post, Poli.

Excellent.

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And you are engaging me...why?

It's kinda fun pointing out your bull shit. No links, nothing to argue with, only insults. "You're an asshole" is not a debating point.
I think you're pretty dumb.

[Frank Apisa]

It's kinda fun pointing out your bull shit. No links, nothing to argue with, only insults. "You're an asshole" is not a debating point.
I think you're pretty dumb.

I started laughing at that last sentence after the first two words.

C'mon, you know you don't do thinking.

[Minister of Truth]

Then why was 1/5 of New York City's population slaves?

Most states didn't become anti-slavery until the Revolution.

[Fentoine Lum]

Then why was 1/5 of New York City's population slaves?

Capital never wants to pay for labor.

[Frank Apisa]

Most states didn't become anti-slavery until the Revolution.

And some remained slave states way past the expiration date.

My state of New Jersey remained a slave state longer than any other in the north.

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Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker
"It is not so much the fall of the 'American Empire' as it is the rise of the rest of the world." #35

I understand that FA might appreciate the superficial appearance of "excellence" in this quotation.

But it reflects badly muddled thinking.
It's true that the U.S. had an industrial advantage over Germany & Japan after WWII.

BUT !!

With the Marshall Plan and so on those former adversaries turned allies were not merely restored.
But because the new equipment they bought with our $money was newer, more up-to-date,
these two nations soon had more modern industrial base than the U.S.

That was generations ago. Globalization has shuffled the deck.

Those WWII advantages are virtually gone. The industrial infrastructure acquired in the 1950's is now 70 years old, literally human generations old.

And with 3rd millennium industrial innovations, computerized production* for example, that Marshall Plan equipment advantage is gone.

Any industrial advantage to be found in Bangalore India, or Beijing China can also be found in Peoria Illinois.

The point about U.S. ascendancy is that through innovation and assiduous culture, the U.S. advanced more rapidly than our competition.

It didn't happen overnight. It took decades of slow, incremental progress.

Thus tariffs aside, the U.S. competes on a more or less level playing field. If we're losing that race, something else is wrong. So back to Krugman:

"The U.S. government is, as a matter of policy, literally ripping children from the arms of their parents and putting them in

fenced enclosures (which officials insist aren’t cages, oh no). The U.S. president is demanding that law enforcement stop

investigating his associates and go after his political enemies instead. He has been insulting democratic allies while

praising murderous dictators. And a global trade war seems increasingly likely." Krugman

Krugman isn't referring to markets here. The decline ("fall") Krugman refers to in the article is the wholesale abandonment of the principles that made U.S. great.

So the president of the party of family values is breaking up families at our border, and according to some reports some of those families may never be reunited.

This is exceedingly bad karma ladies & gents. And while you may not feel personally responsible for a 4 year old child crying inconsolably in a cage,

these atrocities are being conducted by your nation, the government YOU pay tax to support.

Whether you voted for Trump, or against Trump, or not, it's YOUR nation.

We abandon our principles wholesale, the principles that made US great, and then puzzle over why we are in decline ?!?!

* computer controlled production equipment improves product uniformity, lowers labor costs, thus increasing profits

[dukkha]

Hello aloysious,



There are a lot of decent people in this country who can't afford to play a round of golf with anybody.

lol..free golf for the masses

[PoliTalker]

Hello noise,

lol..free golf for the masses

Yeah, as if the nation isn't crazy enough!

I am quite certain much of the nation could not HANDLE playing golf.

It totally messes up your head.

Look what it has done to the President!

(and he cheats at it - no lie - that has been documented)

[dukkha]

Hello noise,



Yeah, as if the nation isn't crazy enough!

I am quite certain much of the nation could not HANDLE playing golf.

It totally messes up your head.

Look what it has done to the President!

(and he cheats at it - no lie - that has been documented)

they all (POTUS) play golf. I think it's an electoral requirement

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#27

Not a logical refutation, just a vulgar contradiction.
How low an intellect would be required to find such a post persuasive?

Who's "Franck"?

Don't talk to me about intellect until you learn how to use the quote feature.