AUDIO TAPE of little kids at DETENTION Ctr crying for parents,

[Jack]

Keep guessing. It amuses me.



It does? If a legal precedent isn't a vaild basis for my answer, what is?

"It does? If a legal precedent isn't a vaild basis for my answer, what is?"
You could try thinking for yourself?

One day women can't vote, next day they can.
One day marijuana is illegal, next day it's legal.

See, Laws come and go. You could actually try thinking for yourself and come up with your own position on different topics. Of course, this will entail 'thinking'. It might just be easier for you to be a 'Follower' and do what you're told?

[Legion]

Laws come and go.

They do. And unless they do, it's prudent to be aware of the current ones in force and observe them.

BTW, the ruling I cited is not a "law". It's a precedent.

[Legion]

So you endorse mistreating Kids.

Perhaps you can show the forum a verifiable example of "mistreatment" or anyones "endorsement" of it.

I'll understand if you can't.

Have another drink.

[Jack]

They do. And unless they do, it's prudent to be aware of the current ones in force and observe them.

BTW, the ruling I cited is not a "law". It's a precedent.

Keep marching in formation, Legina.

[Legion]

Keep marching in formation, Legina.

I'll do as I please.

[Bourbon]

I'll do as I please.

Right after you wipe your mouth ...

[PoliTalker]

Hello iewitness,

you are proud of your work are you not ? as a chickenshit deepstate operator/ #resistor/ seditionist traitor ? you share the reward of barack hussein marshall davis. you should be ecstatic.

Sounds like you believe the fake news.

The legal ex-President's name is Barack Obama. He was legally elected with the popular vote and qualified to serve. There is only one President Barack Obama, so there is no need to use his middle name. That is only done by conservatives who believe the fake news right wing propaganda baloney which cannot deal with facts, so they made it up and claimed he is a Muslim with no proof. President Obama is a Christian. President Obama was born in the United States. President Obama was more popular than President Trump. President Obama's inauguration was bigger than President Trump's. President Obama is a faithful husband and a good father. President Obama was not helped into office by Putin. President Obama ran for President to help the country, not to get rich. President Obama intended to win the election. President Obama won the popular vote. President Obama got more votes than President Trump even with fewer population than during Trump's election.

There is no 'deep state.' That is nothing but more fake news.

[Centerleftfl]

Let's see here.
The PC Fascists watched children getting gassed in Syria, watching them scream in agony as they gasped their last breaths. And their response was to shut their eyes and close their ears.
Now, these same PC Fascists are APPALLED that kids are crying for their Moms. Interesting.

So OBAMA made these kids be taken away in CA and TEXAS (not in Syria). Somethings ARE IN OUR CONTROL. Surely even you understand rudimentary GEOGRAPHY! Not to mention CIVICS.

[Granule]

I don't see a thread on this so if I've duplicate, pardon me in advance. Digital audio catches a lot. These are clear as a bell. It's not pretty.

Pro Publica dropped this about 3PM and everyone trying to download it crashed their servers. The WH press corp was sitting waiting for Sanders to come out. All their cells went off simultaneously with this release and SANDERS CANCELLED the presser.




The SLATEST
Secret Audio Recording of Immigration Detention Center Reveals Inconsolable Children Calling Out for Their Parents


By ELLIOT HANNON

JUNE 18, 20184:56 PM
published an audio recording taken inside a U.S. Customs and Border Protection facility last week that shows just how terrified and desperate the young children separated from their families are. In the recording, which ProPublica says was of roughly 10 Central American children dealing with border patrol and consular officials, you can hear young children weeping and crying out “Mami” and “Papá” over and over again. At one point, a Border Patrol agent interjects. “Well, we have an orchestra here,” he said. “What’s missing is a conductor.”

The recording was taken secretly last week inside the detention facility. Press access to detention centers has been tightly managed, and access to detainees—young and old—has been pretty much nonexistent. The fact that the recording is not part of a choreographed effort by the U.S. government to make its treatment of young children forcibly separated from their parents somehow seem more palatable makes the recording that much more powerful. It is the most truthful depiction yet of what it’s like for the separated children; it is also a mirror being held up to the face of American society....


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...r-parents.html

Stupid parents. Don't these inconsiderate fucks realize that their kid's personal well-being is at stake?

[Jack]

So OBAMA made these kids be taken away in CA and TEXAS (not in Syria). Somethings ARE IN OUR CONTROL. Surely even you understand rudimentary GEOGRAPHY! Not to mention CIVICS.

Yes. Yes I do.

[Centerleftfl]

you are proud of your work are you not ? as a chickenshit deepstate operator/ #resistor/ seditionist traitor ? you share the reward of barack hussein marshall davis. you should be ecstatic.

Do we still electroshock therapy in the US?

[Sailor]

Do we still electroshock therapy in the US?

I think that is how they kept HRC upright for the campaign. Obviously it did not work all the time....

[PoliTalker]

It is truly heartbreaking to listen to that tape.

[Gotcha68]

Have you heard that children were separated from their parents under Obama & Clinton? Then, you need a little Facts vs Myths lesson. Michelle Martin, PhD Cal State Fullerton summed up the most important FACTS:

There is so much misinformation out there about the Trump administration's new "zero tolerance" policy that requires criminal prosecution, which then warrants the separating of parents and children at the border. Before responding to a post defending this policy, please do your research...As a professor at a local Cal State, I research and write about these issues, so here, I'll make it easier for you:

Myth: This is not a new policy and was practiced under Obama and Clinton - FALSE. The policy to separate parents and children is new and was instituted on 4/6/2018. It was the brainchild of John Kelly and Stephen Miller to serve as a deterrent for undocumented immigration, approved by Trump, and adopted by Sessions. Prior administrations detained migrant families, but didn’t have a practice of forcibly separating parents from their children unless the adults were deemed unfit. https://www.justice.gov/…/press-rele...ownload…

Myth: This is the only way to deter undocumented immigration - FALSE. Annual trends show that arrests for undocumented entry are at a 46 year low, and undocumented crossings dropped in 2007, with a net loss (more people leaving than arriving). Deportations have increased steadily though (spiking in 1996 and more recently), because several laws that were passed since 1996 have made it legally more difficult to gain legal status for people already here, and thus increased their deportations (I address this later under the myth that it's the Democrats' fault). What we mostly have now are people crossing the border illegally because they've already been hired by a US company, or because they are seeking political asylum. Economic migrants come to this country because our country has kept the demand going. But again, many of these people impacted by Trump's "zero tolerance" policy appear to be political asylum-seekers. https://www.npr.org/…/arrests-for-il...ssings-…

Myth: Most of the people coming across the border are just trying to take advantage of our country by taking our jobs - FALSE. Most of the parents who have been impacted by Trump's "zero tolerance" policy have presented themselves as political asylum-seekers at a U.S. port-of-entry, from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Rather than processing their claims, they have been taken into custody on the spot and had their children ripped from their arms. The ACLU alleges that this practice violates the Asylum Act, and the UN asserts that it violates the UN Treaty on the State of Refugees, one of the few treaties the US has ratified. This is an illegal act on the part of the United States government, not to mention morally and ethically reprehensible. https://www.nytimes.com/…/meatpacker...on-pool…

Myth: We're a country that respects the Rule of Law, and if people break the law, this is what they get - FALSE. We are a country that has an above-ground system of immigration and an underground system. Our government (under both parties) has always been aware that US companies recruit workers in the poorest parts of Mexico for cheap labor, and ICE (and its predecessor INS) has looked the other way because this underground economy benefits our country to the tune of billions of dollars annually. Thus, even though the majority of people crossing the border now are asylum-seekers, those who are economic migrants (migrant workers) likely have been recruited here to do jobs Americans will not do. https://www.upi.com/…/Donald-Trumps-...2621477498203/

Myth: The children have to be separated from their parents because there parents must be arrested and it would be cruel to put children in jail with their parents - FALSE. First, in the case of economic migrants crossing the border illegally, criminal prosecution has not been the legal norm, and families have been kept together at all cost. Also, crossing the border without documentation is a typically a misdemeanor not requiring arrest, but rather a civil proceeding. Additionally, parents who have been detained have historically been detained with their children in ICE "family residential centers," again, for civil processing. The Trump administration's shift in policy is for political purposes only, not legal ones. See p. 18: https://www.aclu.org/…/ms-l-v-ice-pl...ion-def…

Myth: We have rampant fraud in our asylum process the proof of which is the significant increase we have in the number of people applying for asylum. FALSE. The increase in asylum seekers is a direct result of the increase in civil conflict and violence across the globe. While some people may believe that we shouldn't allow any refugees into our country because "it's not our problem," neither our current asylum law, nor our ideological foundation as a country support such an isolationist approach. There is very little evidence to support Sessions' claim that abuse of our asylum-seeking policies is rampant. Also, what Sessions failed to mention is that the majority of asylum seekers are from China, not South of the border. Here is a very fair and balanced assessment of his statements: http://www.politifact.com/…/jeff-ses...t-asyl…/

Myth: The Democrats caused this, "it's their law." FALSE. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats caused this, the Trump administration did (although the Republicans could fix this today, and have refused). I believe what this myth refers to is the passage of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, which were both passed under Clinton in 1996. These laws essentially made unauthorized entry into the US a crime (typically a misdemeanor for first-time offenders), but under both Republicans and Democrats, these cases were handled through civil deportation proceedings, not a criminal proceeding, which did not require separation. And again, even in cases where detainment was required, families were always kept together in family residential centers, unless the parents were deemed unfit (as mentioned above). Thus, Trump's assertion that he hates this policy but has no choice but to separate the parents from their children, because the Democrats "gave us this law" is false and nothing more than propaganda designed to compel negotiation on bad policy. https://www.independent.co.uk/…/trum...order-m…

Myth: The parents and children will be reunited shortly, once the parents' court cases are finalized. FALSE. Criminal court is a vastly different beast than civil court proceedings. Also, the children are being processed as unaccompanied minors ("unaccompanied alien children"), which typically means they are sent into the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), which is part of the Department of Health and Human Services (DHS). Under normal circumstances when a child enters the country without his or her parent, ORR attempts to locate a family member within a few weeks, and the child is then released to a family member, or if a family member cannot be located, the child is placed in a residential center (anywhere in the country), or in some cases, foster care. Prior to Trump's new policy, ORR was operating at 95% capacity, and they simply cannot effectively manage the influx of 2000+ children, some as young as 4 months. Also, keep in mind, these are not unaccompanied minor children, they have parents. There is great legal ambiguity on how and even whether the parents will get their children back because we are in uncharted territory right now. According to the ACLU lawsuit (see below), there is currently no easy vehicle for reuniting parents with their children. Additionally, according to a May 2018 report, numerous cases of verbal, physical and sexual abuse were found to have occurred in these residential centers. https://www.aclu.org/…/aclu-obtains-...g-wides…

Myth: This policy is legal. LIKELY FALSE. The ACLU filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration on 5/6/18, and a recent court ruling denied the government's motion to dismiss the suit. The judge deciding the case stated that the Trump Administration policy is "brutal, offensive, and fails to comport with traditional notions of fair play and decency." The case is moving forward because it was deemed to have legal merit. https://www.bloomberg.com/…/aclu-sui...aration…

[moon]

You let ' Israeli ' fascists get away with it and you did nothing- except smirk and give them more money. American fascists watched and copied . Now you're getting a taste of Palestine under the jackboot.

Once again Israel has been accused of torturing children. This time the state has been accused of caging Palestinian children in outdoor holding pens during the recent freezing winter storm. Lawyers from Israel’s Public Defender’s Office (PDO) visited a prison in Ramla during the storm and published a report on their website.

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/01/palest...dren-freezing/

And now the millstone of ' Israeli' fascism pulls the US further into the swamp of moral degredation. Don't say you weren't fucking warned. This is just the start of Fascism USA.

US quits 'biased' UN human rights council

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/44537372

This is just the latest rejection of multilateralism by the Trump administration, and will likely unsettle those who look to the United States to protect and promote human rights around the world.