Hello Micawber,
I don't think atheists would, (they don't believe in creation,) but they could certainly be logical enough to understand the concept that everyone should be treated equally. Socialism would attempt to do that. It is capitalism which seeks to pick winners and losers.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
evince (06-18-2018)
Obviously."By voting for Trump, whatever upside they believe comes with that, nobody can take any argument made
from them rooted in good morality. They have ceded any claim whatsoever to being of high morals." Mc #72
Their political / legal actions are deeply offensive. Separating children from parents is despicable.
But it is deeply offensive to persons of principle like me for them to do so under the pretense of being the political party of moral superiority.
Claiming moral superiority is an automatic red flag.
Making the claim and being conspicuously dishonest and wrong about simply multiplies their offense.
Trump is unredeemable.
At this point it's a matter of damage control until we can get an adult to replace him.
"It should be obvious to anyone why conservatives and libertarians should be against Trump. He has no grounding in belief. No core philosophy. No morals. No loyalty. No curiosity. No empathy and no understanding. He demands personal loyalty and not loyalty to the nation. His only core belief is in his own superiority to everyone else. His only want is exercise more and more personal power." smb / purveyor of fact 18/03/18
PoliTalker (06-18-2018)
TTQ64 (06-18-2018)
Yes, it is too abstract a concept to apply in real situations. However, we can view it as "freedoms" rather than rights which humans possessed in a state of nature before government existed. They had absolute freedom of speech, religion, drug use, etc. This argument says humans chose to give up some of their freedoms in order to have a government that protected their lives and property.
A more realistic view is probably that they were subjected to the government that conquered their tribe.
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
Hello TTQ64,
Nothing. And if you keep talking to me like that I'll have nothing more to say to you, either.
Racists should be properly placed on permanent Ignore.
No compromise should be made. They should be ignored. If you enter into any discussion, it lends them legitimacy. Ignore them. Let them be marginalized from civil discourse.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
I don't want racist in my party. Then we have to compromise with them.
Racist white men have been cheating the country out of votes for centuries, it's why they need the electoral college. They can't win without it.
So, until voting is one person, one vote, it will never be fair no matter how many "racist" you convince to vote democrat.
Besides, I will never try to convince a racist not to be racist, I just don't want them making laws or involved in government. They can be as racist as they want.
You do understand that when I place a poster on Ignore it is permanent, correct? I make that clear in my Signature. If I perceive that you have no respect for me my position is: I have no reason to ever read nor respond to anything you say.
Since permanent is irreversible I do like to make sure before I take that step.
I am completely sincere in my posts. If you think there is something I'm trying to fool you about, please do elaborate.
Perhaps this can be settled rather quickly.
I offer you all the respect in the world. All you have to do is agree to the same in return.
Do we have a meeting of the minds?
Or can you not resist telling me off.
People have meaning to me.
Trolls don't.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not do him wrong. 34 The stranger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the homeborn among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not do him wrong. 34 The stranger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the homeborn among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
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