PoliTalker (06-19-2018)
PoliTalker (06-19-2018)
Another thread abandoned by JarredHead. Anyone else notice he starts this moronic nonsense then runs away?
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
Callinectes (06-20-2018)
The following formerly posted by TD #182
Oh yes TD #182.
Indisputably so!
The standard of living under the governance of ISIL is clearly superior to hell-hole we're subjected to under the governance of our Republican lead federal government.
Thank you again for your inspiring reminder. ALLAH BE PRAISED !!
"It should be obvious to anyone why conservatives and libertarians should be against Trump. He has no grounding in belief. No core philosophy. No morals. No loyalty. No curiosity. No empathy and no understanding. He demands personal loyalty and not loyalty to the nation. His only core belief is in his own superiority to everyone else. His only want is exercise more and more personal power." smb / purveyor of fact 18/03/18
No one said everyone would agree with all moral principles. That's not what it means to be universal.
To say the rights (it's not a complete moral code judging every action) are universal means that the rights exist everywhere. It's not conditional on place.
Do you agree when Donald rejects natural rights and the notion that some things are universally wrong by saying, "I believe it's a rough situation over there. It's rough in a lot of places, by the way, not just there." A person who believes in natural rights or that some things are universally wrong does not hesitate to condemn this nonsense, but based on your unwillingness to accept such claims you must concede he has a point.
Last edited by Timshel; 06-20-2018 at 04:39 AM.
Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not do him wrong. 34 The stranger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the homeborn among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
Inalienable God Given Rights given to mankind by our CREATOR.
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Question #one:Quote Originally Posted by sear
"The standard of living under the governance of ISIL is clearly superior to hell-hole we're subjected to under the governance of our Republican lead federal government.
Thank you again for your inspiring reminder. ALLAH BE PRAISED !!" sear
"I just want to highlight the stupidity of this post and alert everyone to how the left actually thinks. This is the danger we all face and the moronic ignorance we confront with the Democratic Party of the Jackass and leftist FAKE media in this country.
Any questions?" TD #187
Do you suppose you'll ever become intelligent enough, and well educated enough to fathom the insightful utility of satire?
Question #two:
Will you ever become s a v v y enough to understand that not everyone that does not toe the Republican line is either ignorant, or Democrat? I'm more conservative than you. You're just not smart enough to understand that.
So I'll spell it out for you.
The principles I defend are those enshrined in an 18th Century Founding document: TJ/DOI. Equality under law may be a cause championed by liberals and Democrats. We conservatives welcome them to our cause. But your fondness for authoritarianism is conspicuous, and hypocritical.
You DO want authoritarian government to prevent women from exercising their medical reproductive rights. BUT !!
You do NOT want government to impose even modest restrictions on firearms.
Hypocrite !
"It should be obvious to anyone why conservatives and libertarians should be against Trump. He has no grounding in belief. No core philosophy. No morals. No loyalty. No curiosity. No empathy and no understanding. He demands personal loyalty and not loyalty to the nation. His only core belief is in his own superiority to everyone else. His only want is exercise more and more personal power." smb / purveyor of fact 18/03/18
Trump is an amoral piece of human feces. He has no moral compass.
So, universal means they EXIST everywhere, but just aren't IN EXISTENCE everywhere. That makes zero sense.
Also making zero sense is your notion "that some things are universally wrong". Just in this country alone, in the context of universal truths, universal right versus wrong, try addressing these two concepts:
Abortion
Gay marriage
Universally right or universally wrong?
But they do exist everywhere. Do you believe it is a just act or a violation of natural/human rights to kill a human, without some just cause, in North Korea? Does Donny Boy's bs point that it's rough in a lot of places make it ok?
Who suggested it gives easy answers to all questions.
Abortion is a bit tough but since I believe our natural rights are a product of our rational capacities and empathy, imo, a first trimester (my understanding of fetal development suggests up to 20 weeks) abortion is not a violation of natural rights.
Marriage is a bundle of rights that can only be defined by law and is only relevant within the context of a society. No one can be said to have a natural right to marry, gay or straight. One can make a strong argument for a natural right to equality before the law and certainly one has a natural right to love and share their life with whomever (implies the other party has the same right to choose).
I have tried to answer all your questions, but you are not returning the favor. How about answering your own questions?
Do women have a moral right to control their own reproduction?
Do people have a moral right to share their lives with someone of the same sex.
Or do you say that whatever the state says is fine?
Like I said, those on the left who reject the notion of natural or human rights face a similar paradox. What is your objection to Trump's actions? It does not appear to be in violation of the law, so you must not have one.
PoliTalker (06-20-2018)
You continue to prove my point with your response “I believe...” Nothing universal about that, is there?
Who said marriage is not a natural right? Are you now defining what a natural right is or isn’t? Another validation of my point. One is unable to even define what is or isn’t a natural right.
Since my questions were posed to you in the context of natural rights, I have no need to answer them. Natural rights do not apply.
I’ll repeat the same thing I’ve been trying to get through to you. One does not need to accept the concept of some non-existent universal law to have a moral compass. My objection to Trump is that he is a patholgical liar and an amoral sociopath.That families can be retained intact rather than split up should be self-explanatory. But, you’ll see many on this forum are in favor of that. Where is your universality?
PoliTalker (06-20-2018)
Very interesting discussion.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
No government has a right to deny ANYONE an inalienable God given right.
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18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
44 U.S.C. 2202 - The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
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