Reply With QuoteWho suggested it?Originally Posted by Nerdberg
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Oderint dum metuant
Who suggested it?
Oderint dum metuant
If stating the obvious ever becomes an Olympic competition, I'll nominate you for the UK team, Tom.
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Well, you can't really stain kraut culture.
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
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"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
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"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
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That's a SPUTNIK article from February 2015. The situation at that time was that, having annexed Crimea in violation of international treaty, Putin now planned to grab Donetsk and blame it on the EU, NATO, and Obama - so it was all hands to the propaganda pumps.
Can you tell me who are the Nazis in the current Ukrainian government?
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On russian TV yesterday Krym nash, Trump nash. Crimea is ours, Trump is ours. The Russians know they have a friend in the president. They know he will not move against Russia. Trump may be getting paid off by Russian oligarchs. All Trump loves is money and power. Trump plays Americans for suckers and Putin plays Trump for one.
cancel2 2022 (06-16-2018)
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there are a couple of Svoboda .. or there were -not sure whos in now.
I look at what I source -no need to tell me. western press won't tell you anything they don't want you to know.
The point was not to tell you about "nazi" it was to show you ( collective you) that we meddled in the Ukrainian maidan.
Vicky Nuland ( east European State desk) and John McCain (warmonger) were both there to whip up the crowd from protesting Yanukovych's decision not to sign on with the Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement -and go with Putin's Eurasian Economic Union instead .
Putin offered favorable terms,and was willing to waive off Uk's nat. gas debts if the then president Yanukovych
would sign up with his common market block.
Don't talk about annexing Crimea unless you look at our violation of the Budapest memorandum
which prohibited meddling in the UK's government.
We were subsidizing commercials for the Kyiv faction -and then we were a catalyst in turning their Euromaidan
protests into a bloody revolution,because of out mindless insistence of treating all transactions with Putin as a zero sum game .
PS the Crimea Referendum came before the Euromaidan check your timeline. Then the annexation.
That was forced on Putin because the Yushchenko threatened access to Sevastopol ( tear up the lease).
With the new Kyiv faction now firmly in control -it was all but inevitable they would threaten access again
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...Black-Sea.html
At present the base is leased from the Ukrainian government until 2017, but now the Yushchenko government is seriously considering tearing up the agreement after Russian warships based at Sevastopol were used to attack Georgian positions during the recent fighting over the breakaway republics.
the Ukrainian government seems to be almost itching for a fight with Moscow.
Not content with tearing up the lease agreement on Sevastopol, Mr Yushchenko is seeking to place restrictions on the movements of Russian naval ships.
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Cancel 2018.1 (06-18-2018), Zarathustra (06-16-2018)
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Little green men (Ukrainian crisis)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little...ainian_crisis)
Armed men without insignia (so-called "little green men") in Simferopol Airport, 28 February 2014.
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do not trust the western press. they lie about the Crimean annexation just like they lied about
"Qadafi threatening to bomb Bengazi civilians"
Nordberg (06-16-2018)
Let's go Brandon!
Islam is making an attempt.
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The Euromaidan disturbances started in late 2013, culminating in the flight of Yanukovych in the last week of February 2014.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...stopol-ukraine
The Crimea referendum took place on 16 March 2014 when Crimea was already under Russian military control. It was monitored by observers from far-right European parties aligned with Putin. Next day the authorities reported that 97% of voters supported Russian annexation.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ocracy-ukraine
How do they ensure that the entire western media report the same fake news? And, to quote the old-timer in The Wild Bunch: who the hell are THEY?western press won't tell you anything they don't want you to know.
The best I can ascertain is that there were three Svoboda 'fascists' in the 2014 government. I know of none since.there are a couple of Svoboda .. or there were -not sure whos in now.
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yes my timeline was a mess - and I should have said "Independence Square police riot" not the general maidan
It's not a question of manipulating the western press, it's the western press simply accepting US government's explanation.
I saw it in the US/NATO bombing of Qadafi..what was the supposed impetus?
The so called "Qadafi was going to bomb civilian protestors in Bengazi" -in fact we had NO intelligence that claimed that- only CNN coverage of cellphone ( going to war over cell phone footage?).
Qadafi even explicitly offered safe passage to Egypt for anyone who put down their weapons-including "da rebels"
Of course Sakozy had ulterior motives,and HRClinton got duped in to democracy promises by the NTC.
Plus she never met a war she didn't support --but that's another story
Zarathustra (06-16-2018)
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A darker stain over a stain. Might work...
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
Let's go Brandon!
You like to hold the son accountable for the grandfather's sins.
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It still sucks.
"It [the draft] is duty rather than slavery. I part with the author on the caviler idea that individual freedom (whatever that may be to the person) leads to nirvana, anyone older that 12 knows that is BS."
-(Midcan5)
"Allow me to masturbate my patriotism furiously and publicly at this opportunity."
-(Ib1yysguy)
"There is no 'equal opportunity' today unless the government makes it so."
-(apple0154 )
"abortion is not killing Its birth control"
-(Desh)
cancel2 2022 (06-17-2018)
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