Millennials are moving to the exurbs in droves

[cawacko]

Millennials messing everything up again. Haha. I found this interesting because I bought into the story line that millennials were all moving to cities. Of course we only have a couple on this board so not much of a sample size to hear their stories.




Millennials are moving to the exurbs in droves


For years, an unwavering certitude of industry, think tanks, demographers, policy-makers and city planners everywhere has been that humanity is moving to the city: We just needed to figure out how to house, employ and feed everyone in a condensed space.

Yes, but: As more and more millennials marry and have children, that presumption is coming under scrutiny.


What's happening: The forecast of global massive urbanization was important since it suggested that vast swaths of countryside would empty out, and we would adopt entirely new lifestyles.

But, in a mea culpa at Brookings, William Frey, a demographer, said that, based on new census data, he has changed his mind on what he thought was a mass urbanization trend. He still thinks that cities will attract "young people — especially well-off, affluent millennials and post-millennials."

"But this won't be most cities," he tells Axios. "And, for this younger generation, what I see is more clustered developments within the suburbs, and smaller metros, greater reliance on public transportation and perhaps ride-hailing and self-driving cars."

What happened: Frey said it might be "just a 'return to normal' of the suburbanization we saw prior to the Great Recession." But Karen Harris, managing director at Bain Macro Trends, tells Axios that, for one thing, it's probably time for millennials — given their stage in life — to start moving out to the 'burbs with their kids.
Distance has changed: Harris also says that very few experts took note of the changed economics of space.

It's cheaper to move information from place to place

Amazon's model of cheap and fast delivery of goods has shortened perceived distances.

Self-driving cars will also make people more likely to perceive places as closer together, since they won't have to become aggravated driving there.
In terms of implications, according to Harris:

Businesses need to adjust: They may have to build more locations, perhaps smaller and at greater distances. But that doesn't necessarily mean astronomical costs, as among the new ways to deliver stuff will be inexpensive drones.

Upping their game: Brick and mortar shops will have to "re-focus their mission on providing amazing customer experiences."

Big suburbs: By 2025, the population of exurbs may exceed those in urban centers for the first time. Developers will have to envision these exurbs as semi-self-contained communities not reliant on nearby cities.



https://www.axios.com/cities-suburbs...2cfd94ee7.html

[Bigdog]

Big suburbs: By 2025, the population of exurbs may exceed those in urban centers for the first time. Developers will have to envision these exurbs as semi-self-contained communities not reliant on nearby cities.



https://www.axios.com/cities-suburbs...2cfd94ee7.html

Hasn't England been using that model for a long time, now.

[archives]

I don't find any of that surprising, I live in the NorthEast which is dominated by urban centers, and that has been the trend as long as I can remember, stages of life, those leaving will be replaced by the next generation

[dukkha]

for one thing, it's probably time for millennials — given their stage in life — to start moving out to the 'burbs with their kids.

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[Fentoine Lum]

Millennials messing everything up again. Haha. I found this interesting because I bought into the story line that millennials were all moving to cities. Of course we only have a couple on this board so not much of a sample size to hear their stories.

The enemies of america society now are its decendants, its children. What a sick and twisted society.

[Minister of Truth]

Suburbs are the place to be.

[Jack]

I think you can compare two cities as examples, New York and Los Angeles.

NY is a mass of people clustered in a small space, like a rabbit hutch.
LA is more spread out with a Freeway system to get around.

NY is so crowded that people refrain from making eye contact because their 'personal space' is being invaded constantly.
LA is so crowded that the Freeways become 'Parking Lots' at times.

No human wants to live like that, no one wants to bring their kids up in an overcrowded environment. Anybody that can escapes to a green, open, less crowded and friendlier environment.
Now ... I can see young people living in 'cities' so they can meet other young people, that makes sense. They aren't looking for quality of life, they're looking to co-mingle.

[cawacko]

I think you can compare two cities as examples, New York and Los Angeles.

NY is a mass of people clustered in a small space, like a rabbit hutch.
LA is more spread out with a Freeway system to get around.

NY is so crowded that people refrain from making eye contact because their 'personal space' is being invaded constantly.
LA is so crowded that the Freeways become 'Parking Lots' at times.

No human wants to live like that, no one wants to bring their kids up in an overcrowded environment. Anybody that can escapes to a green, open, less crowded and friendlier environment.
Now ... I can see young people living in 'cities' so they can meet other young people, that makes sense. They aren't looking for quality of life, they're looking to co-mingle.

I totally get it. I've lived in San Francisco for over 20 years and now having a young daughter am having to face the reality of moving to the suburbs (or out of the Bay Area) myself. There was so much written about Millennials transforming cities that it is was somewhat surprising to me to see this article but in reality probably shouldn't be.

[Jack]

I totally get it. I've lived in San Francisco for over 20 years and now having a young daughter am having to face the reality of moving to the suburbs (or out of the Bay Area) myself. There was so much written about Millennials transforming cities that it is was somewhat surprising to me to see this article but in reality probably shouldn't be.

I notice that on the East Coast they have Parking Lots next to Commuter Trains that bring people to work in the Cities, and then haul them back out to their abodes in the evening.
West Coast had massive Freeway Systems to accomplish the same thing. Now I notice the Parking Lot/Commuter Train is being used versus MORE Freeways.

I remember Market Street being dug out like a canal for BART. This could date me, but it was around the time I walked across the Golden Gate for 10 cents.

[cawacko]

I notice that on the East Coast they have Parking Lots next to Commuter Trains that bring people to work in the Cities, and then haul them back out to their abodes in the evening.
West Coast had massive Freeway Systems to accomplish the same thing. Now I notice the Parking Lot/Commuter Train is being used versus MORE Freeways.

I remember Market Street being dug out like a canal for BART. This could date me, but it was around the time I walked across the Golden Gate for 10 cents.

Hahaha, yes that was before my time! Great memory though.

[Jack]

"The bridge had a 10-cent sidewalk toll from May 1937 to December 1970."
https://www.seattletimes.com/life/tr...n-gate-bridge/

[Minister of Truth]

I notice that on the East Coast they have Parking Lots next to Commuter Trains that bring people to work in the Cities, and then haul them back out to their abodes in the evening.
West Coast had massive Freeway Systems to accomplish the same thing. Now I notice the Parking Lot/Commuter Train is being used versus MORE Freeways.

I remember Market Street being dug out like a canal for BART. This could date me, but it was around the time I walked across the Golden Gate for 10 cents.

Back in the 70s, a new generation of Seattle politicians began opposing road projects in favor of mass transit. That has completely screwed the region over, and I assume the same is true everywhere else along the coast.

[Jack]

Back in the 70s, a new generation of Seattle politicians began opposing road projects in favor of mass transit. That has completely screwed the region over, and I assume the same is true everywhere else along the coast.

I haven't been on the West Coast in a long time. I think California kept expanding the Freeway System, and it attracted MORE cars. At some point they must have realized that MORE Freeways wasn't going to solve the problem. NYC has the Metro that can take you anywhere, it's effective, old, but effective. I think the 'local village Parking Lot next to the Commuter Train' is the 'standard' nowadays. Think about it, you live in your little Hamlet (suburbia), you get up in the morning, drive a few miles to a Parking Lot, catch the Commuter Train, read the paper, a book, fall back asleep, listen to music, etc. for the next hour ... and then you're at Central City. You do lose your 'personal identity' giving up your car, and you do become 'another human dreg', ... but look at the gas money you save and the annoyance of sitting in Traffic.

The US really does need an Infrastructure Plan.

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I think you can compare two cities as examples, New York and Los Angeles.

NY is a mass of people clustered in a small space, like a rabbit hutch.
LA is more spread out with a Freeway system to get around.

NY is so crowded that people refrain from making eye contact because their 'personal space' is being invaded constantly.
LA is so crowded that the Freeways become 'Parking Lots' at times.

No human wants to live like that, no one wants to bring their kids up in an overcrowded environment. Anybody that can escapes to a green, open, less crowded and friendlier environment.
Now ... I can see young people living in 'cities' so they can meet other young people, that makes sense. They aren't looking for quality of life, they're looking to co-mingle.

I'd rather live in civilization than the barbarous hinterlands.

[PostmodernProphet]

who would have dreamt that millennials would actually have children........