Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[Legion]

The War of Northern Aggression may have been motivated by slavery for the invading forces, but to the real Americans, it was about Yankee Go Home.

[Legion]

Two of my Wife's Chartist family went over to join the Union Army to fight for the Liberation.

Cool story, Taff.

How's the campaign to throw off the English yoke working for you?

[Legion]

It was about the principle of keeping the black race in its place.

Something DEMOCRATS have always done and still do today, as far as I can see.

[zymurgy]

Those who ordered the attack considered themselves to be a new country—the CSA. On that, I agree with them. The war was between America and Confederacy—not Union and South. The war was fought because the CSA attacked America. Had it been about secession, America would have had to fire the first shot.

and they attacked because the Union refused to honor the secession and leave territory that was no longer considered American. you are trying so hard to try to make this not about secession, but are completely failing.

[MAGA MAN]

Owning slaves was a sign of wealth, the same as owning a new car or a house. Something you plan to do someday when you can afford to. Also, per the secession documents, it was about the principle of keeping the black race in its place more so than the institution itself.

Most poor whites respected hard word and had no intention of forcing someone else to do theirs. They fought for freedom, and now you believe that they wanted to usurp the freedom of others.

[MAGA MAN]

The only reason that the slavers wanted to set up an independent State was to keep slavery. Everyone knew, and everyone knows that. Two of my Wife's Chartist family went over to join the Union Army to fight for the Liberation, and they had a series on Sianel Pedwar Cymru a few years back composed of letters by 'Welsh'-speaking soldiers (Cymry Cymraeg), and it was very clear they knew what it was all about. It's like the Nazis doing the murder-camp denial bit.

That was the Union view and no one is denying it. What is being debated is the Confederate view of the war. Try to keep up old codger....

[Legion]

Most poor whites respected hard word and had no intention of forcing someone else to do theirs. They fought for freedom.

That's one opinion.

[iolo]

Most poor whites respected hard word and had no intention of forcing someone else to do theirs. They fought for freedom, and now you believe that they wanted to usurp the freedom of others.

Throughout history the southern poor were regarded as idle and ignorant, as you know, by all the bosses, Southern and Northern. They didn't respect hard work, because 'blacks' did it. It's the same reason as that which kept classical Greek science purely theoretical: slaves use their hands!

[countryboy]

If you mean by "one of yours" -- someone from Amazon, you would be 100% correct! He's a sock of Jack, who pretends (for now) to be a liberal here.

Well no, I meant I knew he was a lib pretending to be a "racist conservative".

[iolo]

That was the Union view and no one is denying it. What is being debated is the Confederate view of the war. Try to keep up old codger....

Racists always lie to themselves; how else could they be racists? It's like the way the scumbag leadership liked to pretend they were Mediaeval aristocrats - total bullshit.

[MAGA MAN]

Racists always lie to themselves; how else could they be racists? It's like the way the scumbag leadership liked to pretend they were Mediaeval aristocrats - total bullshit.

That's not debatable either. The Democrats will always act like Democrats.

[MAGA MAN]

Throughout history the southern poor were regarded as idle and ignorant, as you know, by all the bosses, Southern and Northern. They didn't respect hard work, because 'blacks' did it. It's the same reason as that which kept classical Greek science purely theoretical: slaves use their hands!

Again, it is not debatable that the minority slaveholders had no respect for labor. I should call you Don Quixote.

[iolo]

That's not debatable either. The Democrats will always act like Democrats.

No - like Conservatives, 'Communists', 'Liberals' or whatever they will inevitably change out of all recognition under different leaderships and different intellectual pressures, as have in fact the Democrats and Republicans, depending on whether they represent the South or not.

[iolo]

Again, it is not debatable that the minority slaveholders had no respect for labor. I should call you Don Quixote.

If you know how to pronounce it. We won't go into what I'll call you! It is really a question of what the 'white' cannon-fodder thought of themselves that matters, and the answer seems to be, 'not much'.

[PostmodernProphet]

this thread has gone so "1868"ish......