California’s economic situation!

[Legion]

This is quite the conundrum.......

She probably thinks a "conundrum" is a building or complex of buildings containing a number of individually owned apartments that is also racist.

[PostmodernProphet]

Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
Funny, I thought the Trumplican line Was that tax increases do not bring in more money.

upon learning that raising prices brings in more money, General Motors announced today that the prices of all new vehicles will be raised to $225,000 starting in 2019......

[Sailor]

upon learning that raising prices brings in more money, General Motors announced today that the prices of all new vehicles will be raised to $225,000 starting in 2019......

That is not far off from what they are asking for pickup trucks already......

[Irish Exit]

Thing is, removing that SALT deduction isn't going to affect liberals who rent in Los Angeles, it's going to affect Conservatives in Orange County who own homes. So you're cutting off your nose to spite your face by removing the SALT deductions, and pretty much guaranteeing that Democrats will win the 7 or 8 House districts Clinton won that are currently represented by Republicans, most of whom voted to raise their constituents' taxes by removing that deduction.

What a dumb move. Almost as dumb as picking a fight with a football team whose fans threw snowballs at Santa Claus.

Works for me. Let's get rid of them.

[Callinectes]

Because your reforms are punitive and do nothing to address the systemic issue of under-funding education. Also, you're not going to attract good candidates if you do away with all the incentives. You're going to diminish the supply of good candidates. But maybe that's your plan. Starve the beast of talent so it dies and you can replace it with something worse. How cynical.

I'm a teacher in Florida. I contribute 3% of my check toward my retirement. Comes to about $110 a month. The starting salary for our district is about $43,000 not including benefits. About $52,000 for the LA school district, also not including benefits. Both before taxes.Now after federal, state and local taxes, that LA teacher has to live on the economy. Possibly not much of a difference, except the FRS(Florida Retirement System)is fully funded at the moment. The union bitches about the 3%, and they are constantly on the state's case about not "bargaining in good faith"(which is code for "we can't wring more money out of these guys because of reality"). Another thing the state gets slammed for is something common to all states, I believe. It's the tired old "we're not investing enough in our children's education!", which is also code for "we're not paying the teachers enough", because our schools are packed with "Smart Classroom Technology" and carts of new laptop computers. Freakin' place looks like the bridge of the Starship Enterprise. The bottom line is, the government at every level MUST start dealing with fiscal realities, especially involving benefits, pensions and entitlements

[cawacko]

Oh, I totally agree that it's hard to start a family and buy a home in CA, and Prop 13 has everything to do with that for all the reasons cited earlier. So if you want to make housing more affordable in CA, you have to do away with Prop 13. It's that simple.

It's not that simple. You haven't touched the zoning laws or ninbyism. Do you think that will all change if prop 13 goes away? Look what just happened to scott wieners bill. Would you have supported it?

[cawacko]

Democrats didn't have a super-majority when Arnold was governor. Once they got their super-majority, CA turned around.

They still controlled everything.

[cawacko]

Everyone pays taxes.

Once again, you are listening to the racist right who lies about taxes. They tell you Blacks and Mexicans are lazy fucks who don't pay taxes so you hard working white men pay for them.

That's why you think only the wealthy pay taxes.

I see. So once again you have no idea how our tax structure works and who pays them and because you lack that knowledge you make assignine statements like above

[Cypress]

Yeah, in 2012 when voters got to decide if taxes were to be raised, I remember Conservatives saying it would result in the sky falling.

As usual, they were wrong.

Yes, I remember the conservative claims that Jerry Brown's tax hike would crash the economy.

Instead, the economy took flight and we eliminated the fiscal disaster left to us by Republican governor Terminator.

[Cypress]

Democrats controlled the state congress all through Arnold's time in office, no different than today. California relies heavily on personal income tax and cap gains from the top one percent. When the economy is good we boom, when it's not we suffer. You act like Arnold came in and tried to upend how the state was run when he did nothing of the sort. The economy is going to turn while Gavin is governor and Dems control state congress and California will suffer. Are you going to be saying the same thing then that you are now?

I am sure it is all mere coincidence snf that California's stunning fiscal and economic comeback had nothing to do with Jerry Brown being elected and the Democratic super majorities in the legislature.

[cawacko]

I am sure it is all mere coincidence snf that California's stunning fiscal and economic comeback had nothing to do with Jerry Brown being elected and the Democratic super majorities in the legislature.

Can you point to legislation passed that you feel changed the direction of the state that Dems couldn't pass under Arnold?

[cawacko]

A Sacramento Bee article stating the top 1% paid about 50% of state taxes in California. I have learned in this thread this information is racist.


https://www.google.com/amp/amp.sacbe...e74271532.html

[LV426]

How do you know what would happen?

At this point, it seems like you're just trolling because you don't really have anything of substance to say in this debate.

[LV426]

What makes a district "bad"?

Low test scores, low graduation rates, low literacy rates, low funding.

I didn't think you could articulate a reasonable response, and I was correct.

Back up...you're the one who said "good ones" first. You didn't define what you meant by "good ones". Nice try, but you don't get to run away from this by playing obtuse.

Really? How have such incentives worked in the past?
Who would be responsible for bearing the additional costs involved?
What if teachers don't want to move to a "bad" district?

Ummm....the incentives worked in the past when we had better schools. Teacher pay was better. Teacher benefits were better. The cost should be borne by the wealthy and corporations who we were promised would trickle down with 40 years of tax cuts, and never did.

If teachers don't want to move to a bad district, you up the incentives and make them an offer they cannot refuse.

[LV426]

I don't recall saying Prop 13 repeal had been on the ballot. I told you that you think it can be reversed with a referendum to go for it.

Nope. Not what you said. Follow the thread, please. This strategy of obfuscation doesn't work for you.

It is? Show me that slogan in a campaign ad.

In 2012, Jerry Brown campaigned for raising taxes.

Do get informed. You're making this really easy for me.