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    Default Undeclared war is raging for no reason, the economy is falling apart, freedom reduced

    The nation is in terrable shape, McCain has offered very little differend than Bush has for the past 8 years...

    Yet, the American people will elect him because Obama's sisters, uncles, brother once knew a man who shared a lunch with a woman who mothered a child that was cousins with a racist!
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    And yet not one of the candidates assures me that they will never go to war if it is undeclared and only "authorized" by the War Powers Act...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    And yet not one of the candidates assures me that they will never go to war if it is undeclared and only "authorized" by the War Powers Act...
    Nope, but one has said he would not have gone into this particular war!
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    You knew it would happen. hillary decided to fuck it up for the dems.. if she cant win then mccain should then she can try again in 4 years.
    Q: Senator Obama, would you take the same pledge? No tax increases on people under $250,000?

    OBAMA: I not only have pledged not to raise their taxes, I've been the first candidate in this race to specifically say I would cut their taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Nope, but one has said he would not have gone into this particular war!
    Yep, only one potential presidential candidate. And why is Damo not pulling for him ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Nope, but one has said he would not have gone into this particular war!
    Who cares? Honestly, it doesn't matter which war he'd go into, if it is with this WPA backing him we're screwed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Nope, but one has said he would not have gone into this particular war!

    He would not attack his friends!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Who cares? Honestly, it doesn't matter which war he'd go into, if it is with this WPA backing him we're screwed.
    WPA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    And yet not one of the candidates assures me that they will never go to war if it is undeclared and only "authorized" by the War Powers Act...

    Damo, honestly this gruel is getting a little thin.

    You support the occupation, the surge, and the continued war in Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Damo, honestly this gruel is getting a little thin.

    You support the occupation, the surge, and the continued war in Iraq.
    closet door almost wide open now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uscitizen View Post
    closet door almost wide open now.
    I still don't understand this. In 2004 you and Cypress voted for a candidate that wanted to increase our troop numbers in Iraq. That's not ending the war. Damo voted for a guy that would have tried to stop it. How does that make him a war monger and not you guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I still don't understand this. In 2004 you and Cypress voted for a candidate that wanted to increase our troop numbers in Iraq. That's not ending the war. Damo voted for a guy that would have tried to stop it. How does that make him a war monger and not you guys?
    Because the guy who would have done the surge earlier than Bush did would never have started the war in the first place, the other guy did start the war and still says it was worth it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I still don't understand this. In 2004 you and Cypress voted for a candidate that wanted to increase our troop numbers in Iraq. That's not ending the war. Damo voted for a guy that would have tried to stop it. How does that make him a war monger and not you guys?

    Lets jump back another 4 years. I doubt if we would be in Iraq had Gore been elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    WPA?
    War Powers Act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uscitizen View Post
    Lets jump back another 4 years. I doubt if we would be in Iraq had Gore been elected.
    I doubt we'd bet there if McCain were elected.
    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
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