S-400 rules. OK.

[moon]

no idea what that is supposed to mean -it just sounds like unfocused USA hate

I'm under the impression that the Turks have paid for the F-35 and the US won't deliver it. I hate welchers, sure. Who doesn't.

[dukkha]

I'm under the impression that the Turks have paid for the F-35 and the US won't deliver it. I hate welchers, sure. Who doesn't.

The USAF bought those already produced for sale
I dont know if they paid for it, but they can't "serve 2 masters"

Turkey would get them because they are a part of NATO -but NATO is set up to "defend" against Russia

[moon]

The USAF bought those already produced for sale
I dont know if they paid for it, but they can't "serve 2 masters"

Turkey would get them because they are a part of NATO -but NATO is set up to "defend" against Russia

You clearly applaud the US welching and enjoy international division.

[dukkha]

You clearly applaud the US welching and enjoy international division.

ROFL.. such silliness. Did Turkey actually pay the cash? It looks like they didnt.

anyways like I said Turkey can't have it both ways -
you can't operate top level US/NATO jets and have Russian Surface to Air missiles.

I'm all for detente, and an end to Russiaphobia -but that's just crazy

[T. A. Gardner]

no idea what that is supposed to mean -it just sounds like unfocused USA hate

That the Russians historically sell the base model, the stripper version, for export while selling it as the top-of-the-line model they use themselves and are using to sell its effectiveness.

[dukkha]

That the Russians historically sell the base model, the stripper version, for export while selling it as the top-of-the-line model they use themselves and are using to sell its effectiveness.

those are different models. the S-300 for ex. was sold to Syria.
but the S-400 is the same thing no matter where it is.

[moon]

ROFL.. such silliness. Did Turkey actually pay the cash? It looks like they didnt.

Silly yourself. You think that anybody can order F-35s without paying up front ?

anyways like I said Turkey can't have it both ways -
you can't operate top level US/NATO jets and have Russian Surface to Air missiles.

The F-35s are no longer desirable. Turkey chose a defensive system . Even so, the contract was made and the payment must be returned if the aircraft are not delivered. Otherwise swallow the accusation of ' welchers '.

I'm all for detente, and an end to Russiaphobia -but that's just crazy

You just want it on your own terms.

[moon]

Turkey says will not reverse Russian S-400S purchase despite US sanctions

Turkey will not reverse its purchase of Russian S-400 missile defense systems and will take reciprocal steps after evaluating U.S. sanctions imposed over the acquisition, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Thursday.
The United States on Monday imposed sanctions targeting fellow NATO member Turkey's Defence Industry Directorate (SSB), its chief, Ismail Demir, and three other staff for buying the S-400s.
President Tayyip Erdogan said on Wednesday the sanctions were a "hostile attack" against Turkey's defense industry, and were bound to fail.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/...nctions-652392

[Phantasmal]

Turkey says will not reverse Russian S-400S purchase despite US sanctions

Turkey will not reverse its purchase of Russian S-400 missile defense systems and will take reciprocal steps after evaluating U.S. sanctions imposed over the acquisition, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Thursday.
The United States on Monday imposed sanctions targeting fellow NATO member Turkey's Defence Industry Directorate (SSB), its chief, Ismail Demir, and three other staff for buying the S-400s.
President Tayyip Erdogan said on Wednesday the sanctions were a "hostile attack" against Turkey's defense industry, and were bound to fail.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/...nctions-652392

I keep asking, why is Turkey a part of NATO?

[anatta]

I keep asking, why is Turkey a part of NATO?

first off Turkey is more then Erdogan
and having Turkey is a very strategic location being able to access the Black Sea thru the Bosphorus Strait
able to monitr Russian shipping

IOW there are more reasons to keep Turkey in NATO then not

[T. A. Gardner]

those are different models. the S-300 for ex. was sold to Syria.
but the S-400 is the same thing no matter where it is.

As you can see here, there are currently 7 models of the S-400 in two groups in service and the export models are different from the ones the Russian military uses in various ways.

[moon]

I keep asking, why is Turkey a part of NATO?

I guess that the bigger one's gang is the better.

[moon]

Erdogan: Turkey could buy more Russian S-400s despite US warnings
Turkish president says Ankara considering acquiring more of the Russian defence systems in defiance of US objections.



Turkey’s leader says his country is considering buying a second Russian missile system despite strong objections by NATO ally the United States.

In an interview with American broadcaster CBS News, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Turkey would make decisions on its defence systems independently.

Speaking to correspondent Margaret Brennan in New York last week, Erdogan explained that Turkey was not given the option to buy American-made Patriot missiles and the US had not delivered F-35 stealth jets despite receiving a payment of $1.4bn.

“In the future, nobody will be able to interfere in terms of what kind of defence systems we acquire, from which country at what level,” Erdogan said in an interview that aired on Sunday. “Nobody can interfere with that. We are the only ones to make such decisions.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...te-us-warnings

[Matt Dillon]

I keep asking, why is Turkey a part of NATO?

Me too.

[moon]

Turkey is strategically positioned for when Izrael collapses in on itself . It's also the gateway to the Black Sea.