S-400 rules. OK.

[moon]

There is no way that Turkey will be allowed to operate the F-35
and have Russian missile technology.

Not really a concern of yours anymore, maggot. You've just had your national security handed to American private equity.

Uncle Trump will take care of you.



Haw, haw.....................................haw.

[anatta]

There is no way that Turkey will be allowed to operate the F-35
and have Russian missile technology.

I don't know..the problem started when Obama refused to sell them Patriots

[anatta]

Turkey has requested to buy the Patriot system three times. The first two attempts failed because of the refusal of the US to sell them the latest version, the US wanted to sell them an older version.

The third time, the US was willing to sell them the latest version (2018), but by then the contract for the S-400 had already been signed (2017).

There were however additional financial problems. The initial cost estimate was 1.3 billion USD but when the US presented a detailed offer, it was 7.8 billion!

Negotiations about the exact composition of the Patriot system (radars, radios, missiles, launchers, training missiles, etc.) resulted in figures being tossed around between 2.5 and 3.5 billion.

Turkey could live with the steep 3.5 billion estimate and the deal was nearly concluded … until the US bumped it up to 4.6 billion.

Even at this point, Turkey was willing to go with the Patriot system provided NATO would chip in. Since 2013, NATO had been helping out Turkey with its air defence which included financial support and Spain even deploying some of its Patriot systems in Turkey and Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and the US providing additional assets.

Meanwhile, Turkey had already signed the S-400 contract for 2.5 billion. At the time of the signing, the US didn’t object, although NATO, who bears the cost for integrating the S-400 into the rest of NATO’s air defences, said there would be compatibility problems that would result in a higher integration cost.

The US assumed Turkey would cancel the S-400 contract but since a lot of Turkish Air Force pilots were dismissed after the failed 2016 coup, they are short on fighter pilots.

Turkey wants to fill the air defence gap as soon as possible and this means deploying an SAM system as soon as possible. Delivery of the S-400 began in July 2019 … the US still hasn’t even started production of the Turkish Patriot equipment.
https://www.quora.com/Why-didn-t-the...em-from-Russia

[moon]

Russia’s newest radar can track 1,000+ fast-moving & HYPERSONIC weapons, and is now available to foreign buyers




https://www.rt.com/news/489309-russi...ic-radar-sale/

Once again, a Russian system illustrates that offensive weapons are yesterday. This system will further reduce the threats repeatedly made by states with offensive weapon agendas. It's available to everybody.

[moon]

US threatens ‘serious consequences’ if Turkey puts into operation its Russian S-400 missile systems



The US State Department has warned the Turkish government of “potential serious consequences” to the two nations’ security relationship should reports of Ankara testing the Russian S-400 air defense systems prove true.
“If confirmed, we would condemn in the strongest terms the S-400 test missile launch as incompatible with Turkey’s responsibilities as a NATO ally and strategic partner of the United States,” State Department spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus said on Friday.

https://www.rt.com/news/503756-us-tu...-consequences/

Trump- shut your yap. Turkey is independent . You sold NATO to Izrael.


Trump is a liability;

China ‘reserves right to react’ if US interferes with Confucius Institute operations
https://www.rt.com/news/503737-china...us-institutes/

‘Putin’s proposal a non-starter’: White House rejects Russian call to extend nuclear arms control treaty
https://www.rt.com/news/503746-white...s-putin-start/

[moon]

‘US doesn’t know who it’s dealing with!’ Erdogan dismisses Washington’s threats over S-400 deployment



Turkey is not a “tribal state” that can be pushed around, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said, dismissing the American warnings over its procurement of Russian-made S-400 anti-aircraft systems.
Ankara will see through the deployment of its S-400 systems, which will not be disrupted by any threats or sanctions, Erdogan made clear, speaking in the eastern Turkish city of Malatya on Sunday. The Turkish leader even dared Washington to go ahead and introduce any S-400-related sanctions it might be planning.

You don't know who you’re dealing with. Whatever sanctions you have, don’t keep us waiting – introduce them. We paid for the F-35. You threatened us. You said, ‘Send the S-400s back to Russia.’ We are not a tribal state. We’re Turkey.

https://www.rt.com/news/504531-turkey-us-s400-erdogan/

How dare the Turks not be bullied. Don't they understand the status quo ?

[T. A. Gardner]

So far, the only thing its shot down is an airliner and some Russian fighters in Syria...

[moon]

So far, the only thing its shot down is an airliner and some Russian fighters in Syria...

It deters attacks. Factor that.

[anatta]

Erdogan defends testing Russian S-400, shrugs off US criticism
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...ff-us-reaction
Washington has threatened sanctions arguing Ankara’s purchase of the Russian weapons system compromises NATO defences.

[anatta]

How dare the Turks not be bullied. Don't they understand the status quo ?

Erdogan is often prickish for no reason - but the S-400 is the best out there

[moon]

He states that the F-35s are paid for. When's the refund coming ?

[T. A. Gardner]

It deters attacks. Factor that.

It no more does that than any previous SAM, be it the Nike series, Hawk, S-25 Berkut, S-75 Divna of Vietnam era use, Bloodhound, or Crotale. It's just another SAM in a long line of SAMs.

[moon]

It no more does that than any previous SAM, be it the Nike series, Hawk, S-25 Berkut, S-75 Divna of Vietnam era use, Bloodhound, or Crotale. It's just another SAM in a long line of SAMs.

Keyboard generals will agree with you.

[T. A. Gardner]

Keyboard generals will agree with you.

Bet I can get any number of other military historians and experts to agree with me too. The S-300 / 400 is roughly equivalent to the US Patriot missile system in capability depending on the variant of missile employed (there are 6 versions not including a recent navalized version). It's just the latest generation of SAM's--no better or worse than produced elsewhere.

[Grokmaster]

Imagine how totally pissed off you would be if you'd spent mega-billions on US aircraft and your entire force is rendered next-to-useless by anybody purchasing Russian counter-measures.

Of course- everybody is waiting for some fool to test the S-400 in anger. Who will it be ? Good luck, mug.

Personally- I hope that the system grounds every fucking warmongering tyranny on the planet. World peace from an unexpected quarter ?

CANNOT TOUCH THE PATRIOT SYSTEM.