If not God, then...

[kudzu]

Then perhaps you could give us one example of something creating itself. That would blow my argument out of the water.

Last time I looked there were 250 creation stories to explain to people of the Bronze Age, "where do we come from?"...

Are you really quibbling about an ancient myth?

[Jack]

Yup, I'm afraid you are correct.

We just gotta come back at him...and hope that he and others like him can finally start getting logical.

Frank: "We just gotta come back at him...and hope that he and others like him can finally start getting logical."

My Position:
What if you were on a boat going up the Amazon River. After a day or two, you turned upon a tributary heading further into the unknown. After a week in the Amazonian Wilderness, you detect a Tribe of people. You stop and give them gifts. You try to understand their customs, rituals, their Way of Life.

All cultures throughout Time have some 'storyline' about 'The Beginning'. They have their 'stories', they have their assorted 'heroes'.

Now, you as an educated person ... would YOU try to explain YOUR version of Reality to them, or would you leave them to their ancient and familiar rituals and customs?

My View: Here in the Modern World, we still have Primitive People amongst us. Leave them be. Let them live in THEIR world. Think 'Amish'. Don't you support the Amish to live as they choose?

[The Ugly Truth]

Last time I looked there were 250 creation stories to explain to people of the Bronze Age, "where do we come from?"...

Are you really quibbling about an ancient myth?

Doesn't matter what 'myth' you believe in, as far as this topic goes. It is a scientific fact that nothing physical can create itself. Do you disagree?

[kudzu]

Doesn't matter what 'myth' you believe in, as far as this topic goes. It is a scientific fact that nothing physical can create itself. Do you disagree?

You are trying to make a myth fit scientific theory... or vice versa.. That is childish.

[The Ugly Truth]

You are trying to make a myth fit scientific theory... or vice versa.. That is childish.

No. I stated a scientific fact, then offered an alternative. The only alternative. If something physical cannot create itself, that means someone created it. Simple logic.

[kudzu]

No. I stated a scientific fact, then offered an alternative. The only alternative. If something physical cannot create itself, that means someone created it. Simple logic.

So you believe Genesis and that the earth is almost 6,000 years old?

[The Ugly Truth]

So you believe Genesis and that the earth is almost 6,000 years old?

Do you believe that something physical can create itself?

[Guno צְבִי]

Just as I suspected. Not a single one of you has an intelligent reply.

well so much for that

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...60#post2373360

[domer76]

Simple question. If God did not create the universe, then who or what is responsible? Without a Creator, you have no choice but to believe that there was no cause for the universe. That it created itself. This violates every law of science, since nothing physical can create itself.

Now, before you idiot atheists ask who created God, I will point out the simple fact that God is not physical and has always existed. Any way you slice it, the universe requires a Creator.

Your god is not phyical and has always existed? Who told you so? Your god?

What happened to that “created man in his own image” horseshit?

[domer76]

Just as I suspected. Not a single one of you has an intelligent reply.

Priceless!

Folks, you can’t cut the irony here with a chain saw!

[domer76]

There will be no big crunch. The rate of expansion is accelerating. Try to stay informed.

It is accelerating? How do you know?

Oh, that’s right. SCIENTISTS, the same guys who provide actual SCIENTIFIC theories, told you so.

Gotta laugh at the disconnect there.

[domer76]

No. I stated a scientific fact, then offered an alternative. The only alternative. If something physical cannot create itself, that means someone created it. Simple logic.

It’s a scientific fact that your god has always existed? Please site a peer reviewed article on that.

[The Ugly Truth]

Do you believe that something physical can create itself?

Are you going to answer the question, Kudzu?

[evince]

Your god is not phyical and has always existed? Who told you so? Your god?

What happened to that “created man in his own image” horseshit?

man created god

mankind needed god at the time


that time may end

or we may always have a section of the population that needs a God


believe whatever you want people


don't try to force others to believe things you cant prove


accept that others don't believe in god for good reasons

its your faith

NOT FACTS

[Frank Apisa]

Then perhaps you could give us one example of something creating itself. That would blow my argument out of the water.

Your god.