The Kneeling can Continue

[Legion]

Is Kaepernick playing football yet? I rest my case.

I'm curious. Are changes to terms of employment without negotiation illegal? I thought the NFL (who probably have a competent legal advisor) made the change in the Operations Manual, which is reportedly outside the scope of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

[Legion]

The issue will draw out in court, possibly for years. Meanwhile, players will take the knee, unabated.

Indeed, my dear Brother, and the league never prohibited them from kneeling. They assigned a consequence for doing so on the field during the Anthem. Any fine will only apply to the teams, not the players.

[hvilleherb]

This is the way they can garner the most attention, I suppose.

For a problem that doesn't really exist. In all my life I've never personally seen police misconduct. The players are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[Legion]

For a problem that doesn't really exist. In all my life I've never personally seen police misconduct. The players are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I beg to differ. While it's possible that you have never seen police misconduct personally, that does not mean it doesn't exist. It does, and I can cite video evidence if you like.

[Legion]

No question, you certainly are inferior

No one is intrinsically inferior to another person. He is undoubtedly a repugnant racist.

[evince]

For a problem that doesn't really exist. In all my life I've never personally seen police misconduct. The players are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

you are a fucking liar

your "opinion" is worthless

[evince]

No one is intrinsically inferior to another person. He is undoubtedly a repugnant racist.

racists are sociopaths


they are inferior

[evince]

Indeed, my dear Brother, and the league never prohibited them from kneeling. They assigned a consequence for doing so on the field during the Anthem. Any fine will only apply to the teams, not the players.

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[Leonthecat]

No one is intrinsically inferior to another person. He is undoubtedly a repugnant racist.

Well said, brother.

[Legion]

racists are sociopaths

Self awareness is a good first step for you.

[Legion]

Well said, brother.

Thank you, Brother. We share a vigilant and fierce dislike for racism, as you know. It's time racists were called out whenever they show their faces here on JPP. If they refuse to renounce their biased hatred, they need to be called out repeatedly.

[Eagle_Eye]

I'm curious. Are changes to terms of employment without negotiation illegal? I thought the NFL (who probably have a competent legal advisor) made the change in the Operations Manual, which is reportedly outside the scope of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

I would say it all boils down to what the CBA says regarding the companies rights and the workers rights. This isn't a 1st amendment issue as the NFL is a private corp..

[Legion]

It is a form of speech.

And I am ‘free’ to enagage in speech my employer disagrees with but when my speech becomes disruptive in the workplace, my employer is ‘free’ to penalize or even fire me because they have rights, too. Freedom abounds, what a great country.

This shouldn’t be a difficult concept.

The First Amendment and state constitutions protect you from the government: It can’t prevent you from speaking, and it can’t punish you for speech. Some laws also protect workers from retaliation for specific kinds of speech.

All the league did was bar players in the future from protesting publicly during the Anthem — and it allowed them to stay in the locker room if they were unable or unwilling to honor the Anthem without protesting. Nobody was fired (one can debate whether Colin Kaepernick has actually lost job opportunities, but that’s not the league’s doing).

Nobody was punished at all for anything they did in the past, just told to abide by clear rules set in advance for the future.

Players remain free to speak out on issues like police brutality just about anywhere at any time they want — in postgame locker-room interviews, on Twitter, using the celebrity that their jobs in the NFL gives them — just not on the field during an officially sanctioned league-mandated ceremony.

Nobody is even required to attend the Anthem, as they are in the NBA.

Why does that matter? Because the NFL, as an association of individual owners, has free-speech rights, too.

The league’s fans didn’t react with anger just because it employs people who protested the National Anthem, but because the protests were happening inside the stadium and on TV during a league-mandated ceremony, and that led people quite reasonably to believe that the league was at least tacitly associated with it.

NFL owners have the right — not just the legal right, but the free-speech right — to make clear to the fans that they don’t endorse this kind of thing. And they’ve used that right before on the other side of the law-enforcement issue, when the NFL previously banned the Dallas Cowboys from wearing helmet decals honoring cops killed in the line of duty.previously banned the Dallas Cowboys from wearing helmet decals honoring cops killed in the line of duty.


https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/nfl-anthem-rule-not-threat-free-speech/

[Legion]

I would say it all boils down to what the CBA says regarding the companies rights and the workers rights. This isn't a 1st amendment issue as the NFL is a private corp..

I'm fairly sure the NFL had their legal team involved so the change wouldn't violate the CBA.

That wouldn't necessarily preclude litigation, so we'll see.

[Legion]

Seriously? There are a half dozen threads around here that will explain what's going on if you've been under rock in your backyard again...

She is an unrepentant racist who demands proof and when it's given, ignores it and demands it again later. It's a pattern of behavior.