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    Default The mess Rod Rosenstein made

    By Steven G. Calabresi, opinion contributor — 05/22/18 06:30 PM EDT
    http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...osenstein-made

    Many liberals and critics are under the mistaken belief that President Trump is violating the rule of law and civil liberties by criticizing the Robert Mueller investigation and by ordering the Justice Department’s Inspector General to investigate whether or not the FBI spied on his 2016 presidential campaign. In fact, the president is behaving totally lawfully, and it is Robert Mueller and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein who are acting unconstitutionally and who are violating Trump’s civil liberties.

    Presidents George Washington, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson all gave orders to federal prosecutors to bring prosecutions, and Jefferson ordered a prosecution stopped. President Trump is entirely within his rights to ask the Justice Department’s inspector general to investigate whether the Obama administration got the FBI to spy on Trump’s campaign.

    I’ve explained in previous writings why Robert Mueller’s appointment is unconstitutional under Chief Justice Rehnquist’s majority opinion in Morrison v. Olson. The basic problem is that Mueller is more powerful and famous than are any of the 96 U.S. attorneys, but unlike them he was never nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate.

    In this investigation, Mueller is not acting like an assistant U.S. attorney who is an inferior officer. He is instead acting like a U.S. attorney, who is a principal officer and who must be nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate.

    The unconstitutionality of Mueller’s appointment renders everything he has done since May 17, 2017, unconstitutional as well. This includes obtaining a log of calls by President Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen, and his referral of Cohen to the United States attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York. Both the logging and the referral are examples of what the Supreme Court calls the fruit of a poisonous tree.

    When an official uses government power in an unconstitutional way, anything that results from it is subject to the exclusionary rule and is not admissible in court. Since the investigation by the U.S. Attorney's office for the Southern District of New York was started due to an arguably unconstitutional call log that violates both the Appointments Clause and attorney-client privilege, the federal courts should hold that any prosecutions that result of Cohen or anyone else that grew out of the Mueller referral are unconstitutional and null and void.

    Moreover, Mueller’s prosecution of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort in Virginia is unconstitutional even if some of his prosecutors have special status as members of the relevant U.S. Attorney’s office in that state. Their actions are under Mueller’s supervision. Because of Mueller’s unconstitutional appointment as special counsel, the raid of Manafort’s house is also the fruit of a poisonous tree.

    Deputy Attorney General’s Rod Rosenstein’s refusing to make public his full order appointing Mueller and defining the scope of Mueller’s investigation calls to mind the secret trials of the Court of Star Chamber in England, which has been justifiably reviled since its abolition in 1641.

    I am not aware of any prior deputy attorney general of the United States who has made as big and as consequential a mistake as has Rosenstein in his appointment of Robert Mueller.
    Not only has he violated Trump’s civil liberties and the rule of law by unconstitutionally giving Robert Mueller the powers of a principal officer without Mueller’s having been nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate, he has undermined in the American people’s eyes the integrity of the Justice Department itself.
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    the problem is Sessions..
    Rosenweasel was traveling with Trump today. He called him "Rod"--the guy who siced Mueller on him is "Rod"-
    not Rosenstein.

    Rosenweasl has been in the cat seat this whole time - he gets to be fireproof because of the partisan screaming
    that would happen if he was fired..Then Sessions would run DoJ.. ROFL..."Sessions running DoJ" -I made a joke!

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    I have posted the Rosenstein directive for Mueller several times. Like everything else you said, total bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    the problem is Sessions..
    Rosenweasel was traveling with Trump today. He called him "Rod"--the guy who siced Mueller on him is "Rod"-
    not Rosenstein.

    Rosenweasl has been in the cat seat this whole time - he gets to be fireproof because of the partisan screaming
    that would happen if he was fired..Then Sessions would run DoJ.. ROFL..."Sessions running DoJ" -I made a joke!
    LOL!!!! ^ Sessions...he could fit some work in, in between naps.

    Yeah I heard "Don & Rod" today, still shaking my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    LOL!!!! ^ Sessions...he could fit some work in, in between naps.

    Yeah I heard "Don & Rod" today, still shaking my head.
    LOL . Trump gets in the swamp with the critters.

    Rosenweasel will go, unless he decides to throw his lot in with Trump. Trump might keep him then.
    Rosenweasel is a survivor- if nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    LOL . Trump gets in the swamp with the critters.

    Rosenweasel will go, unless he decides to throw his lot in with Trump. Trump might keep him then.
    Rosenweasel is a survivor- if nothing else.
    Trump can compartmentalize better than I ever could with the Weasel. But, this was about a whole other thing I think...prison reform. So, Trump picks his battles accordingly.
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    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
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    Default The mess Rod Rosenstein made

    By Steven G. Calabresi, opinion contributor — 05/22/18 06:30 PM EDT

    Biography:

    Calabresi.... went on to clerk for.... the Hon Robert H. Bork on the D.C. Circuit, and for the Hon Justice Antonin Scalia on the United States Supreme Court.

    Professor Calabresi is an active libertarian-conservative author and commentator.

    Among others, he has collaborated with Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia....

    Political life:

    Calabresi served under Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush from 1985 to 1990. During that time, he advised Attorney General Edwin Meese III, Reagan Domestic Policy Chief T. Kenneth Cribb and wrote campaign speeches for Bush Vice President Dan Quayle.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_G._Calabresi
    Gee....no possibility of political bias in THAT opinion piece, is there???

    Pretty obvious where to file this load of Trumptard rubbish...

    https://i.postimg.cc/PqVCnGks/gojoe1.jpg
    C'MON MAN!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    LOL . Trump gets in the swamp with the critters.

    Rosenweasel will go, unless he decides to throw his lot in with Trump. Trump might keep him then.
    Rosenweasel is a survivor- if nothing else.
    Despite enduring months of public criticism from president Donald Trump, deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein was in a cheery mood when speaking to a group of lawyers in New York today. He did, however, take a couple of thinly veiled swipes at the president.

    “It’s refreshing to get out of Washington every once in a while—I know they say New York is the city that never sleeps but it seems pretty restful to me,” he quipped as he took the podium at the Bloomberg Law Leadership Forum.

    Without mentioning the president’s name, Rosenstein proceeded with a couple of pointed remarks, seemingly aimed at Trump’s criticism of his handling of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russia’s connections to the Trump campaign.

    Explaining a new policy aimed at stopping “piling on”—situations where companies are punished more than once for the same crime by different government agencies—he said: “The dictionary defines ‘piling on’ as joining other people in criticizing someone, usually in an unfair manner. I also have experience with that.”

    It’s been rumored (paywall) for weeks that the US president wants to fire Rosenstein. Trump has long been angered by his decision to appoint Mueller as a special counsel, and particularly enraged by Rosenstein signing off on an FBI raid of Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen. Documents were seized from Cohen’s apartment, office, and hotel room. Former top White House aide Steve Bannon predicted in an interview to be broadcast today that Roseinstein will be fired “very shortly.”

    Rosenstein made a tentative move to appease Trump on May 20, ordering the Department of Justice’s inspector general to widen an ongoing investigation to include Trump’s allegations that his campaign had been “infiltrated” by spies for “political purposes.”

    Later in his speech today, Rosenstein made a less humorous defense of law enforcement officials, whom Trump has been attacking since before he took office.

    “One of the things that sometimes gets lost in the endless commentary about law enforcement is that some of the most patriotic and public-spirited Americans work alongside me in the Department of Justice,” he said, citing a visit he’d just made to the New York FBI office. “We instill a culture of ethical conduct from the first day employees take the oath…if you walk into any branch of the Department of Justice anywhere in the country, you will find some of the most decent, ethical, and admirable people you could ever hope to meet.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    I have posted the Rosenstein directive for Mueller several times. Like everything else you said, total bullshit.
    You’ve seen the second one lol?

    Can we see it too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Gee....no possibility of political bias in THAT opinion piece, is there???

    Pretty obvious where to file this load of Trumptard rubbish...

    Everything you post is rubbish, so you would know, right?

    Read the article without your triggered liberal glasses on.

    If any other politician, or appointed administration official would have been spied on by the FBI Trump would be well withing his rights, and you would agree of course it the victim was a Democrat to order an investigation to look into it.

    In this case Trump is the victim, but that does not change the basic principle.

    The FBI , under the protection of the Obama administration spied on a presidential candidate to try and entrap him. That's illegal AND unethical at it's core.

    Just so happen said Candidate won, and he now has the power to right this wrong and he will.

    Stay triggered, it suits your whiny personality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Trump can compartmentalize better than I ever could with the Weasel. But, this was about a whole other thing I think...prison reform. So, Trump picks his battles accordingly.

    Trump can't compartmentalize at all... That's why he's always off-script and throwing tantrums. He has NO impulse control or attention span.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    Everything you post is rubbish, so you would know, right?

    Read the article without your triggered liberal glasses on.

    If any other politician, or appointed administration official would have been spied on by the FBI Trump would be well withing his rights, and you would agree of course it the victim was a Democrat to order an investigation to look into it.

    In this case Trump is the victim, but that does not change the basic principle.

    The FBI , under the protection of the Obama administration spied on a presidential candidate to try and entrap him. That's illegal AND unethical at it's core.

    Just so happen said Candidate won, and he now has the power to right this wrong and he will.

    Stay triggered, it suits your whiny personality.
    This is just another of Trump's conspiracy theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    This is just another of Trump's conspiracy theories.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Despite enduring months of public criticism from president Donald Trump, deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein was in a cheery mood when speaking to a group of lawyers in New York today. He did, however, take a couple of thinly veiled swipes at the president.

    “It’s refreshing to get out of Washington every once in a while—I know they say New York is the city that never sleeps but it seems pretty restful to me,” he quipped as he took the podium at the Bloomberg Law Leadership Forum.

    Without mentioning the president’s name, Rosenstein proceeded with a couple of pointed remarks, seemingly aimed at Trump’s criticism of his handling of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russia’s connections to the Trump campaign.

    Explaining a new policy aimed at stopping “piling on”—situations where companies are punished more than once for the same crime by different government agencies—he said: “The dictionary defines ‘piling on’ as joining other people in criticizing someone, usually in an unfair manner. I also have experience with that.”

    It’s been rumored (paywall) for weeks that the US president wants to fire Rosenstein. Trump has long been angered by his decision to appoint Mueller as a special counsel, and particularly enraged by Rosenstein signing off on an FBI raid of Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen. Documents were seized from Cohen’s apartment, office, and hotel room. Former top White House aide Steve Bannon predicted in an interview to be broadcast today that Roseinstein will be fired “very shortly.”

    Rosenstein made a tentative move to appease Trump on May 20, ordering the Department of Justice’s inspector general to widen an ongoing investigation to include Trump’s allegations that his campaign had been “infiltrated” by spies for “political purposes.”

    Later in his speech today, Rosenstein made a less humorous defense of law enforcement officials, whom Trump has been attacking since before he took office.

    “One of the things that sometimes gets lost in the endless commentary about law enforcement is that some of the most patriotic and public-spirited Americans work alongside me in the Department of Justice,” he said, citing a visit he’d just made to the New York FBI office. “We instill a culture of ethical conduct from the first day employees take the oath…if you walk into any branch of the Department of Justice anywhere in the country, you will find some of the most decent, ethical, and admirable people you could ever hope to meet.”

    https://qz.com/1286606/rod-rosenstei...YPL&yptr=yahoo
    to the bolded. I'm sure he's correct in many/most cases
    . But we still gotta get rid of the weasel infestation..

    Rod can show how much more weasely he is today, or cooperate with Kelly in the meeting and try some transparency for a change. Congress has oversight of the weasels

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