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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution says that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    The first thing to know about the First Amendment is that it is a limit only on government.

    It prohibits the federal government from making laws that infringe on the rights of religion, speech, press, assembly and petition.

    Through the Fourteenth Amendment, state and local governments are also prohibited from infringing on these rights.

    https://www.workplacefairness.org/retaliation-public-employees
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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    "In the famous flag burning cases a few years ago, the Supreme Court made clear that in America, we have no revered symbols that command orthodox respect. The flag itself represents the right to treat it as one wishes. We are free to respect the flag and to shun those who do not, but we may not harm a hair on their heads."
    Completely irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Completely irrelevant.
    So you say.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
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    Completely irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    So you say.
    Take it to court and we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    From what I've read there's no one size fits all answer. Here's a decent article on the subject. https://www.creators.com/read/judge-...otected-speech

    trump should have learned this before opening his big fat piehole and spouting off.

    "In the famous flag burning cases a few years ago, the Supreme Court made clear that in America, we have no revered symbols that command orthodox respect. The flag itself represents the right to treat it as one wishes. We are free to respect the flag and to shun those who do not, but we may not harm a hair on their heads."
    Trump is irrelevant to me. I'm clearly not a lawyer but the NFL is a business and if players kneeling hurts their business I have trouble believing the Constitution can stop the NFL from saying don't it. The morality of the NFL's action is a different discussion. I'm speaking strictly of constitutional rights

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    Aw thanks. You have plenty of your own, along with the Valkyrie 'tude and take-no-crap demeanor!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Trump is irrelevant to me. I'm clearly not a lawyer but the NFL is a business and if players kneeling hurts their business I have trouble believing the Constitution can stop the NFL from saying don't it. The morality of the NFL's action is a different discussion. I'm speaking strictly of constitutional rights
    The article was written by RW favorite Andrew Napolitano. Don't know if you read it but here's what I was talking about.

    "At a rally in Alabama last month, Trump aggressively attacked the practice of taking a knee. He argued that it was so disrespectful to the American flag and the national anthem that those who had taken a knee should be fired from their jobs...

    When the players union backed up these silent expressions of political opinions, it argued that all of its members have a constitutional right to express themselves in uniform in their workplace. Do they? The short answer is that it depends on where the players are when they take a knee...

    Expressive conduct — lawful behavior that offers a political opinion — is the constitutional equivalent of free speech. So interfering with expressive conduct or commanding its cessation in conformity to management's political or patriotic views constitutes interfering with speech. May employers do that?

    In states where expressive conduct in the workplace is protected, employees may express themselves as long as they do not materially interfere with the business of the workplace. In states without that employee protection, they may not do so.

    However, even in the states that lack the employee expression protection, if management's instructions to conform require conformance on property that the government owns, such as a publicly owned stadium, then management is treated constitutionally as if it were the government. Just as the government cannot interfere with speech to suppress its content or to compel conformity, neither may team management when teams play on government-owned land...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Got69ed View Post
    Curious if you all would get upset if Amish or Jehovas Witness were at a game and didn't stand for the anthem or salute the flag?
    If/would.

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    Legion: Take it to court and we'll see.


    I'd like to see what proof the NFL has that kneeling hurt their bottom line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    If/would.
    It's a good question. What say you besides "if/would"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    The article was written by RW favorite Andrew Napolitano. Don't know if you read it but here's what I was talking about.

    "At a rally in Alabama last month, Trump aggressively attacked the practice of taking a knee. He argued that it was so disrespectful to the American flag and the national anthem that those who had taken a knee should be fired from their jobs...

    When the players union backed up these silent expressions of political opinions, it argued that all of its members have a constitutional right to express themselves in uniform in their workplace. Do they? The short answer is that it depends on where the players are when they take a knee...

    Expressive conduct — lawful behavior that offers a political opinion — is the constitutional equivalent of free speech. So interfering with expressive conduct or commanding its cessation in conformity to management's political or patriotic views constitutes interfering with speech. May employers do that?

    In states where expressive conduct in the workplace is protected, employees may express themselves as long as they do not materially interfere with the business of the workplace. In states without that employee protection, they may not do so.

    However, even in the states that lack the employee expression protection, if management's instructions to conform require conformance on property that the government owns, such as a publicly owned stadium, then management is treated constitutionally as if it were the government. Just as the government cannot interfere with speech to suppress its content or to compel conformity, neither may team management when teams play on government-owned land...
    Haven't you trashed Napolitano in the past?

    BTW, his opinion isn't Stare Decisis, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    The article was written by RW favorite Andrew Napolitano. Don't know if you read it but here's what I was talking about.

    "At a rally in Alabama last month, Trump aggressively attacked the practice of taking a knee. He argued that it was so disrespectful to the American flag and the national anthem that those who had taken a knee should be fired from their jobs...

    When the players union backed up these silent expressions of political opinions, it argued that all of its members have a constitutional right to express themselves in uniform in their workplace. Do they? The short answer is that it depends on where the players are when they take a knee...

    Expressive conduct — lawful behavior that offers a political opinion — is the constitutional equivalent of free speech. So interfering with expressive conduct or commanding its cessation in conformity to management's political or patriotic views constitutes interfering with speech. May employers do that?

    In states where expressive conduct in the workplace is protected, employees may express themselves as long as they do not materially interfere with the business of the workplace. In states without that employee protection, they may not do so.

    However, even in the states that lack the employee expression protection, if management's instructions to conform require conformance on property that the government owns, such as a publicly owned stadium, then management is treated constitutionally as if it were the government. Just as the government cannot interfere with speech to suppress its content or to compel conformity, neither may team management when teams play on government-owned land....
    Bingo. Most stadiums were built with public funds, right? I know the former Rams stadium in STL was built with taxpayer funding... and then the Rams skipped town and left the city holding the bag.

    https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...angeles-033116

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    It's a good question.
    No, it isn't.

    It's a fallacious question about different sets of circumstances that don't apply in the present case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Trump is irrelevant to me. I'm clearly not a lawyer but the NFL is a business and if players kneeling hurts their business I have trouble believing the Constitution can stop the NFL from saying don't it. The morality of the NFL's action is a different discussion. I'm speaking strictly of constitutional rights
    So far, the NFL is not saying that they can't kneel, is it?

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