Jordan Peterson calmly dismantles feminism infront of two feminists

[Micawber]

Dismantle feminism? Why not dismantle the underground railroad, honesty and love while at it?

Havana poon is the vanguard of sexual chauvinism. LMAO, it's his thing.

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Dismantle feminism? Why not dismantle the underground railroad, honesty and love while at it?

Havana poon is the vanguard of sexual chauvinism. LMAO, it's his thing.

See how magnanimous I am, didn't even this gobshite!

[Mott the Hoople]

I heard him called an armless and toothless William Buckley

The alt right believe he is their guy and he sounds like a new aged Ayn Rand. I’m not into the “all about me” types

He's not it's just that the right wingers are only listening to just what they want to hear from Peterson. They saw him eviscerate an ill prepared Feminist in Catheryn Newman who came prepared to debate with a bunch of Strawmen arguments....so what you're saying is?? And Peterson took her apart. Mainly by staying calm when she started attacking him with questions. Unfortunately for her, her questions were weak and illogical but aggressively presented. Peterson was able to outwit her simply by staying calm under pressure and pointing out the flaws in her reasoning.

So the alt-right see's a rationalist take apart their avowed boggeyman and now he's suddenly their hero? That's not Peterson's fault as you only have to listen to his lectures to see that what is opposes is radicalism. He's certainly no Randite.

[Mott the Hoople]

Call him what you will, but the Left just don't know how to handle him He has this annoying habit of using logic to expose their bullshit and they hate it.

I'm considered a leftist. I seem to be able to deal with him. Your argument sounds like a Catheryn Newman strawman. "So what you're saying is Peterson is a conservative?".

Peterson also has an annoying habit of using logic to expose the bullshit of radical rightest and they hate it too. What's your point? Most radicals, left or right, don't deal well with reality.

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I'm considered a leftist. I seem to be able to deal with him. Your argument sounds like a Catheryn Newman strawman. "So what you're saying is Peterson is a conservative?".

Peterson also has an annoying habit of using logic to expose the bullshit of radical rightest and they hate it too. What's your point? Most radicals, left or right, don't deal well with reality.

Well for a start you seem to be trying to paint me as some kind of fire breathing conservative, and support him because of that. I know what he is and I also know just how crazy the Left has become over here and in the US. The difference between you and me is that I have experienced socialism first hand back in the seventies. The university I attended was full of Marxist bullshitters like Iolo, I know his kind very well. Hell I even spouted much of that crap myself!!

[Phantasmal]

He's not it's just that the right wingers are only listening to just what they want to hear from Peterson. They saw him eviscerate an ill prepared Feminist in Catheryn Newman who came prepared to debate with a bunch of Strawmen arguments....so what you're saying is?? And Peterson took her apart. Mainly by staying calm when she started attacking him with questions. Unfortunately for her, her questions were weak and illogical but aggressively presented. Peterson was able to outwit her simply by staying calm under pressure and pointing out the flaws in her reasoning.

So the alt-right see's a rationalist take apart their avowed boggeyman and now he's suddenly their hero? That's not Peterson's fault as you only have to listen to his lectures to see that what is opposes is radicalism. He's certainly no Randite.

I also don’t agree with his position that women weren’t oppressed by patriarchy, he’s full of beans on that one, in my opinion. Giving equality to women doesn’t rob a man of his masculinity. Do I misrepresent his position on that?

[Mott the Hoople]

I do promise to listen to more of his lectures, the one on the Bible looks interesting.

He's very interesting but he's hardly a right wing conservative ideologue or a political partisans.

You can make just about any rationalist look good by having them debate a radical.

Look at this debate that Roland Martin has with Richard Spencer where he pwns Spencer. He makes Spencer look like an idiot....which he is. The scary thing is, that for every 1 radical feminist or radical academic leftist there are a thousand extremists on the right wing like Richard Spencer and they are committing the majority of violent political acts in this nation. Now that's not to say the extreme left isn't capable of violent acts, they certainly are. It's just currently they are significantly less of a threat of political violence than the radical right is.

[Mott the Hoople]

I also don’t agree with his position that women weren’t oppressed by patriarchy, he’s full of beans on that one, in my opinion. Giving equality to women doesn’t rob a man of his masculinity. Do I misrepresent his position on that?

He is right if that means trying to legislate an equality of outcomes. I also don't see where he said that giving women equality robs a man of his masculinity. What Jordan believes in is equal opportunity before the law and in opportunity. What he does not believe in is equality of outcomes. On those points I agree with him.

[Irish Exit]

Conservatives like Peterson for going after the left, but their like is selective. They ignore the part about creating equal opportunities for everybody that he supports.

[Mott the Hoople]

Well for a start you seem to be trying to paint me as some kind of fire breathing conservative, and support him because of that. I know what he is and I also know just how crazy the Left has become over here and in the US. The difference between you and me is that I have experienced socialism first hand back in the seventies. The university I attended was full of Marxist bullshitters like Iolo, I know his kind very well. Hell I even spouted much of that crap myself!!

Meh we had them when I went to college in the early 80's too. In fact I freaked out the Republicans at my college when I joined the Young Republicans in college cause I looked like one of the Marxist radicals (just look at my avatar for what I looked like in college) and I also had imagination which isn't a common trait among conservative Republicans so yea....I stood out like a sore thumb. LOL

They did love my ability to think up dirty tricks though.

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I also don’t agree with his position that women weren’t oppressed by patriarchy, he’s full of beans on that one, in my opinion. Giving equality to women doesn’t rob a man of his masculinity. Do I misrepresent his position on that?

Yeh yeh blah blah!

[Phantasmal]

He is right if that means trying to legislate an equality of outcomes. I also don't see where he said that giving women equality robs a man of his masculinity. What Jordan believes in is equal opportunity before the law and in opportunity. What he does not believe in is equality of outcomes. On those points I agree with him.

I do as well, but if someone is qualified they should have the opportunity, which was denied at one time in our society and is still is in some areas.

[Mott the Hoople]

I do as well, but if someone is qualified they should have the opportunity, which was denied at one time in our society and is still is in some areas.

That depends on how you define "qualified". Two persons may have the same degree and professional licensing, for example, but have completely different qualifications in terms of experience, performance and leadership ability. I certainly agree that artificial barriers to women competing in the market place should be eliminated and that in most places and settings they have been in this country. The problem is, you still have to compete and often your qualifications are only part of the story. If you have to equally qualified people but one is significantly more competitive, it's likely that person will get hired or promoted. Just because one is qualified doesn't mean you get a "do not have to compete" card. Then you have the issue of being interested in different things.

For example, women are extremely under represented at the senior management level in corporations. It appears that has less to do with glass ceilings and more to do with women not being interested in competing in the corporate rat race.

On the other hand Women are over represented at the professional level (first professional Doctorate or higher) in Health Care. Why? More than likely because they are more interested in being a health care providers than being in business.

So those are some gender differences that do explain some of the discrepencies we see between genders in the work place.

Those are not neccessarily oppression or bias against women in the work place. There are other factors than basic qualifications that come into play.

[CFM]

He is right if that means trying to legislate an equality of outcomes. I also don't see where he said that giving women equality robs a man of his masculinity. What Jordan believes in is equal opportunity before the law and in opportunity. What he does not believe in is equality of outcomes. On those points I agree with him.

Feminists do believe in equality of outcomes. A problem with feminism, much like that of the race pimps, is that when women don't end up where the feminists believe they should in the outcomes, the first, last, and automatic assumption is that they were denied the opportunity. The mindset is that is it can't be anything but discrimination and sexism. No thought is ever given that those on the receiving end were actually the most qualified.

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That depends on how you define "qualified". Two persons may have the same degree and professional licensing, for example, but have completely different qualfications in terms of experience, performance and leadership ability. I certainly agree that artificial barriers to women competing it the market place should be eliminated and that in most places and settings they have been. The problem is, you still have to compete and often your qualifications are only part of the story. If you have to equally qualified people but one is significantly more competitive, it's likely that person will get hired or promoted. Just because one is qualified doesn't mean you get a "do not have to compete" card.

If you had watched the Peterson/Paglia video they discuss that.

Men have sacrificed and crippled themselves physically and emotionally to feed, house, and protect women and children. None of their pain or achievement is registered in feminist rhetoric, which portrays men as oppressive and callous exploiters.

Camille Paglia