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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    No, I'm not disputing that the poor make bad decisions. I am wondering why they do.

    Why do you think the poor make bad decisions?

    Do you think it is genetic?

    Are the poor just born with a 'poverty gene' which causes them to be bad from birth at everything which might lead them toward a successful life?

    Is it just tough luck if an individual gets the 'poverty gene' which renders them a 'lost cause' from birth?

    Most people are learning basic math at a very early age. If not before kindergarten, then certainly it begins there right at the beginning of K-12. The students are age 5-6 then. So do you believe that these kids who do not learn basic math at that age are 'lost causes' who got the 'poverty gene' so they will never amount to anything?

    Or maybe you blame these 5-6 year olds for not trying hard enough. Maybe the little runts just have bad attitudes? It's kinda harsh to believe they have a bad gene which renders them stuck in poverty for life. So maybe they LEARN to believe they are worthless 'lost causes' because they get told that as very young and impressionable children.

    Now, who in their right mind would tell a small child something hateful like that? Well, nobody. Nobody in their right mind, that is. But somebody must instill these terrible thoughts into their young minds, so who is it? Worthless parents who are 'lost causes' themselves?

    bingo.

    So we have these small children who are not learning basic math, and the reason is: their parents are telling them there is no point, that they have no future. Seems cruel, but it is easier to believe than a genetic difference. And, as you say, SOME do manage to work their way up even if their siblings do not. Because they 'made the right decisions' to learn even under social pressure not to. Probably because somebody, a teacher or perhaps even a social worker, managed to cause them to believe in themselves. Too bad that doesn't happen for most.



    And my belief is that most of those had help from our socialist government assistance programs.

    I remain firmly in belief that we cannot blame the poor for their own condition any more than we can blame them for not trying. Or for 'making bad decisions.'

    I also believe that government programs do help, and should be continued and expanded.
    So your position is we should focus on blaming those who did try and who made better decisions for those who don't try and have bad attitudes? I really am not sure why on earth you would believe we should pour resources at those who won't even try over those who do. I assume you have met human beings before?

    I did not say that it was genetic and I did not say we should abandon 5-6 year olds as lost causes.

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    Hello Kacper,

    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    So your position is we should focus on blaming those who did try and who made better decisions for those who don't try and have bad attitudes?
    If that is what you got out of my post I have to wonder if you even read it at all because I didn't say that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    I really am not sure why on earth you would believe we should pour resources at those who won't even try over those who do.
    That's obvious! I believe the poor who make bad decisions are still people who are capable of improving their lives, even if they are mistakenly convinced the world is against them, and are so depressed that they don't even try.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    I assume you have met human beings before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    I did not say that it was genetic and I did not say we should abandon 5-6 year olds as lost causes.
    And I didn't claim you said so. That is why I posed it as a question. Thanks for answering. I'm glad we agree that somewhere along a poor child's development, they are taught that they should not even try.

    I am trying to put myself into the shoes of a poor 5-6 year old who is unable to learn basic math in a public school.

    What could be the problem?

    How about if the kid is cowering in the bathroom and trembling afraid because the adults are having a really nasty drunken and drug-infused argument in the main room of a very ratty disheveled place? Things are being thrown. Things are being screamed. The neighbors are banging on the walls.

    Then, one of the adults bangs on the bathroom door and announces that they and the kid are leaving, and to grab whatever they can in 5 minutes, then they will be starting a new life living in the car.

    Do you think that could be a likely scenario?

    How about this? The child who is having a difficult time learning has other concerns: "I'm hungry. My stomach hurts. I can't think about anything else because I am hungry. I can't remember the last time we had a good meal. Can I please have something to eat?"

    The problem here is that the child does not have the basics required for learning.

    It's kind of hard to think about math problems and concentrate on mathematical concepts when you're primary concern is wondering if you are safe or not. Or hungry. Or if you will have a home the next day. A lack of any of the basics tends to dominate the thinking of the individual who lacks them, making it impossible to think about abstract concepts and learning math.

    There are a few basics which, without these things, children cannot learn very well.

    Security: A child needs to feel safe and secure. If you're worried that you or a loved one might be injured or killed, it is impossible to think about solving math problems.

    Sleep: A child needs to get a full night's sleep to be well rested and fully alert in order to concentrate on objective thinking.

    Nourishment: A child needs to be properly fed with health food in order to think clearly.

    Caring: A child needs to feel loved in order to build a sense of self-respect and a belief that he/she can and deserves to be a successful adult one day. A child needs love and proper parenting to learn.

    Rich people take these things for granted. Many poor do not have that luxury.

    If they can't learn and do well in school, they have very little chance of ever escaping poverty. Instead, they would probably have a bad attitude, not really try, not believe they can do it. They would make bad decisions. Is that their fault?

    I have touched on only a few of the needs and requirements of humans in order to learn and be successful. There is much to learn about this. I have just become aware of something called "Maslow's hierarchy of needs." It is very interesting. Many of the things successful people take for granted are part of it. The underadvantaged are probably lacking in fulfilling several of these requirements. Once again, I cannot blame them for being unable to surpass this phenomenon which can lead them to 'not even try.'

    Laziness is a symptom, not the basic problem.

    Maslow's hierarchy of needs is often portrayed in the shape of a pyramid with the largest, most fundamental needs at the bottom and the need for self-actualization and self-transcendence at the top.[1][7]

    The most fundamental and basic four layers of the pyramid contain what Maslow called "deficiency needs" or "d-needs": esteem, friendship and love, security, and physical needs. If these "deficiency needs" are not met – with the exception of the most fundamental (physiological) need – there may not be a physical indication, but the individual will feel anxious and tense. Maslow's theory suggests that the most basic level of needs must be met before the individual will strongly desire (or focus motivation upon) the secondary or higher level needs. Maslow also coined the term "metamotivation" to describe the motivation of people who go beyond the scope of the basic needs and strive for constant betterment.[8]

    The human brain is a complex system and has parallel processes running at the same time, thus many different motivations from various levels of Maslow's hierarchy can occur at the same time. Maslow spoke clearly about these levels and their satisfaction in terms such as "relative", "general", and "primarily". Instead of stating that the individual focuses on a certain need at any given time, Maslow stated that a certain need "dominates" the human organism.[4] Thus Maslow acknowledged the likelihood that the different levels of motivation could occur at any time in the human mind, but he focused on identifying the basic types of motivation and the order in which they would tend to be met.

    Physiological needs are the physical requirements for human survival. If these requirements are not met, the human body cannot function properly and will ultimately fail. Physiological needs are thought to be the most important; they should be met first. This is the first and basic need on the hierarchy of needs. Without them, the other needs cannot follow up.

    Physiological needs include:

    Air (Breathing)
    Water
    Food
    Sleep
    Clothing
    Shelter

    Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granule View Post
    you're the one who doesn't get it.

    You see, pervert. You have to entice companies to stay in America, not try and force them to stay. Strong arm tactics may work under the fascist regimes of the Left, but not in a free country.
    How more enticed can they get? As long as other countries let their workers get exploited for cheap labor corporations are going to take their tax breaks and run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    You may remember these words from Donald Trump when he was running for president: “A Trump administration will stop the jobs from leaving America.”

    But U.S. companies sent thousands of jobs overseas in his first year as president. And many of the companies responsible for offshoring jobs received huge government contracts.

    In fact, according to employment data charted by Good Jobs Nation and Public Citizen, federal contractors alone outsourced 10,269 jobs while taking over $19 billion in government money.

    Never before in U.S. history have federal contractors sent so many jobs overseas. Here are the contractors that are offshoring the most jobs under Donald Trump, including the parent company of Carrier

    drum roll please for the partial list




    https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-car...tml/?a=viewall
    Did you complain when that was happening under Obama? The amount of jobs claimed here appears they are just going to established international offices. I say this is more liberal out of context BS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Badguy View Post
    How more enticed can they get? As long as other countries let their workers get exploited for cheap labor corporations are going to take their tax breaks and run.
    Problem is there are no specifics in the link which tells you it is probably more democrat lies and more hate Trump lies

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    Hello ptif219,

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Problem is there are no specifics in the link which tells you it is probably more democrat lies and more hate Trump lies
    Do you think the news is fake?

    Are you one of those people who doesn't trust the mainstream news, thinks the mainstream news is liberal propaganda?

    Do you only trust those weird little small-staff right wing propaganda sites?

    Do you believe the 'deep state' conspiracy theory?

    Perhaps you also believe President Trump had the largest inauguration turnout ever...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello ptif219,



    Do you think the news is fake?

    Are you one of those people who doesn't trust the mainstream news, thinks the mainstream news is liberal propaganda?

    Do you only trust those weird little small-staff right wing propaganda sites?

    Do you believe the 'deep state' conspiracy theory?

    Perhaps you also believe President Trump had the largest inauguration turnout ever...
    I guess you believe the liar democrats that run the fake news liberal media.

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    Hello ptif219,

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I guess you believe the liar democrats that run the fake news liberal media.
    Is that the way you see the main stream news? You think it is the 'Democrat fake news media?'

    (I presume that was a 'yes' to all my previous questions.)

    I believe the news is real.

    The mainstream news generally gets it right. Some networks put spin one way or another sometimes. Fox is to the right, MSNBC is left.

    I don't think anything on the mainstream news is fake. If they get it wrong, they make a retraction. You just have to learn to tell the news from the spin.

    PBS does a pretty good job.

    I don't think there is a deep state.

    I do think Trump got elected with help from the Russians, who are seeking to create havoc on the USA, keep us divided and polarized.

    And Trump is a total con man, has been his whole life, it's how he got rich. He's using the office for profit. It's why he ran - for the free publicity. He didn't think he would win. It went to his head. The Russians have something on him. He owes a lot of money to some very mean Russians. That's what I think.

    Trump doesn't care about American workers. That's all a schtick. He loves the under-educated and misinformed. They are easy to con. He's a con man.

    He's not bringing jobs back. The tax cuts went to the rich. Almost nobody got raises. They did stock buy backs and executive bonuses instead. We got suckered into deeper debt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello ptif219,



    Is that the way you see the main stream news? You think it is the 'Democrat fake news media?'

    (I presume that was a 'yes' to all my previous questions.)

    I believe the news is real.

    The mainstream news generally gets it right. Some networks put spin one way or another sometimes. Fox is to the right, MSNBC is left.

    I don't think anything on the mainstream news is fake. If they get it wrong, they make a retraction. You just have to learn to tell the news from the spin.

    PBS does a pretty good job.

    I don't think there is a deep state.

    I do think Trump got elected with help from the Russians, who are seeking to create havoc on the USA, keep us divided and polarized.

    And Trump is a total con man, has been his whole life, it's how he got rich. He's using the office for profit. It's why he ran - for the free publicity. He didn't think he would win. It went to his head. The Russians have something on him. He owes a lot of money to some very mean Russians. That's what I think.

    Trump doesn't care about American workers. That's all a schtick. He loves the under-educated and misinformed. They are easy to con. He's a con man.

    He's not bringing jobs back. The tax cuts went to the rich. Almost nobody got raises. They did stock buy backs and executive bonuses instead. We got suckered into deeper debt.
    The democrat liberal media is a bunch of democrat partisan liars that avoid news that dos not fit the democrat political agenda

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    No, I'm not disputing that the poor make bad decisions. I am wondering why they do.

    Why do you think the poor make bad decisions?

    Do you think it is genetic?

    Are the poor just born with a 'poverty gene' which causes them to be bad from birth at everything which might lead them toward a successful life?

    Is it just tough luck if an individual gets the 'poverty gene' which renders them a 'lost cause' from birth?

    Most people are learning basic math at a very early age. If not before kindergarten, then certainly it begins there right at the beginning of K-12. The students are age 5-6 then. So do you believe that these kids who do not learn basic math at that age are 'lost causes' who got the 'poverty gene' so they will never amount to anything?

    Or maybe you blame these 5-6 year olds for not trying hard enough. Maybe the little runts just have bad attitudes? It's kinda harsh to believe they have a bad gene which renders them stuck in poverty for life. So maybe they LEARN to believe they are worthless 'lost causes' because they get told that as very young and impressionable children.

    Now, who in their right mind would tell a small child something hateful like that? Well, nobody. Nobody in their right mind, that is. But somebody must instill these terrible thoughts into their young minds, so who is it? Worthless parents who are 'lost causes' themselves?

    bingo.

    So we have these small children who are not learning basic math, and the reason is: their parents are telling them there is no point, that they have no future. Seems cruel, but it is easier to believe than a genetic difference. And, as you say, SOME do manage to work their way up even if their siblings do not. Because they 'made the right decisions' to learn even under social pressure not to. Probably because somebody, a teacher or perhaps even a social worker, managed to cause them to believe in themselves. Too bad that doesn't happen for most.



    And my belief is that most of those had help from our socialist government assistance programs.

    I remain firmly in belief that we cannot blame the poor for their own condition any more than we can blame them for not trying. Or for 'making bad decisions.'

    I also believe that government programs do help, and should be continued and expanded.
    Rich people make poor decisions as well but they also have money to compensate or make it go away.

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    Hello ptif219,

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The democrat liberal media is a bunch of democrat partisan liars that avoid news that dos not fit the democrat political agenda
    What news sources do you consider to be 'The democrat liberal media?'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    I do not recall Trump ever promising that no companies would move overseas. Regardless, low unemployment creates wage pressures which will be addressed generally in one of two ways--importing foreign made automation to replace workers or send the jobs to places where labor will cost less than the cost of buying the automation. Either way is not good for manufacturing workers.
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    The real point to this offshoring thing is that trump is a failure

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello ptif219,



    What news sources do you consider to be 'The democrat liberal media?'
    Those you call mainstream

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    The real point to this offshoring thing is that trump is a failure

    But you did not complain when it happened during Obama. More democrat hypocrisy

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