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    Default How badly was gullible Trump suckered by Kim Jong Un?

    Is a gullible Donald Trump being taken for a ride by North Korea?

    Experts on the challenge of North Korea diplomacy largely agree that Trump has put himself in a terrible position


    It seems like ages ago when political leaders were seriously talking about President Donald Trump winning a Nobel Peace Prize. In light of North Korea's suspension of talks with South Korea over the Max Thunder aerial drills, and national security adviser John Bolton's comparison of upcoming talks with North Korea to those undertaken with Libya in 2003, the question is now twofold: Will the proposed summit between Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un happen at all? Or are the North Koreans simply taking Trump for a ride.

    "I'll begin with the caveat that most everybody would make," said Tony Arend, a professor and dean in the Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University, in an interview with Salon. "That is, we don't fully understand what's in the mind of Kim Jong-un on a variety of issues and we're always trying to get more intelligence.

    "That having been said, my perception is that he is feeling that he has gotten a lot of recognition from the United States," Arend continued. "He's gotten the president of the United States to agree to a summit to discuss issues on the [Korean] peninsula, and I think he's pushing to see how much he can get from the United States in the way of concessions. So he perceives himself to be in a position of strength."

    f the Trump administration "seems so invested in a deal," Arend went on, Kim might be eager to see what further concessions it is willing to grant. "So I see him testing the waters and pushing the United States."

    His views were largely shared by Gordon Chang, a Daily Beast columnist and author of "Nuclear Showdown: North Korea Takes on the World."
    "North Korea has talked about John Bolton and his 'hostile attitudes,' as they put it," Chang told Salon, adding that he doubted Bolton's comments about the "Libyan model" played a major role, since those were made during a "Face the Nation" interview in late April. "After that, the North Koreans released the three Americans, so it's unlikely that Bolton was the motivating factor," Chang said. "I think there must have been something else that got the North Koreans upset."

    Chang then speculated that one factor could well have been Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's offer to take North Korea of the official U.S. list of "state sponsors of terrorism" if the Kim regime hands over five nuclear devices. "That's much closer in time to North Korea's statement," he said, "and it also corresponds with something that North Korea said in that statement ... is about compensation for giving up their most destructive weapons."

    "There are things that the North Korean aren't saying," Chang said. "I think they're using Bolton as an excuse."
    Ankit Panda, adjunct senior fellow at the Federation of American Scientists, told Salon that North Korea may also have concerns about whether recent American rhetoric and foreign policy actions — particularly Bolton's comments and the South Korean aerial tests — reflected a lack of seriousness about the proposed diplomatic talks.

    One interpretation Panda offered was that the North Koreans "effectively thought the U.S. wasn't being serious, was running sort of an arrogant victory lap before the talks had taken place, and was still setting up complete denuclearization as the benchmark. So they put out a statement saying that we can't really meet on the basis of that because we're not going to give up our nuclear weapons.

    "None of this is surprising to people who have been watching the Korean peninsula for a long time," Panda concluded. "North Korea has taken a similar approach to talks with the United States before, but the Trump administration, either willfully or by accident, simply hasn't paying attention to the details."

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    Cognitive Dissonance is a powerful mindfuck. It transfixes it's host with the terror of inconvenient truth .. the brain becomes motionless .. and all avenues to critical thought are blocked.

    Even science no longer makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    Nice work, chap.

    Pissing people off indeed. Ripping up America's internationally-sanctioned nuclear agreement with Iran, right before sitting down at the table with North Korea was a stroke of "genius"! I am pretty sure only Trump would have thought of that idea.

    I have always thought Trump's real interests and affinity lay in selling frozen steaks and banging prostitutes. I really do not think sober and deliberative negotiations with hardened communist leaders is in his skill set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    *were* lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    *were* lol.

    TDS has affected your grammar.
    Trump derangement syndrome makes me have bad grammar?


    Wow, you are a comedic genius! You totally smoked me, and that is some funny shit, right there!

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    Have you considered a career as professional comedian?

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    Donald Trump could Fuck their Wife's, Mothers and Daughters in the Middle of 5th Avenue and wouldn't loose a Supporter.

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    Trump/Bolton were convinced threats would make Kim give up his nuclear program . Kim spent the countries wealth to get it because they saw that the US is far more unlikely to attack a country with them. And Trump was stupid enough to think they would just give them up . They believe it is what keep the country safe and Kim alive and in power. Trump is so used to bullying, that he thinks it works everywhere. Bolton is a PNAC, neocon who wants war with North Korea and Iran. This can get very ugly.

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    there goes Trumps Nobel. He can still get a Pulitzer for his tweeting.

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    Hello, BAC, I’ve been thinking of you, any news? Hugs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Nice work, chap.

    Pissing people off indeed. Ripping up America's internationally-sanctioned nuclear agreement with Iran, right before sitting down at the table with North Korea was a stroke of "genius"! I am pretty sure only Trump would have thought of that idea.

    I have always thought Trump's real interests and affinity lay in selling frozen steaks and banging prostitutes. I really do not think sober and deliberative negotiations with hardened communist leaders is in his skill set.
    Trump should get the Pinocchio Prize for liars.

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    Holy smoke, I have blown a lot of calls.

    But my thread here was very prescient.

    I wish I was as good at predicting Super Bowls!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Nice work, chap.

    Pissing people off indeed. Ripping up America's internationally-sanctioned nuclear agreement with Iran, right before sitting down at the table with North Korea was a stroke of "genius"! I am pretty sure only Trump would have thought of that idea.

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    Trump should get the Pinocchio Prize for liars.

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    Not gullible at all. He did what he said he'd do.

    Trump never, ever said that any meeting with Kim is a 100% certainty. He has said for 2 years if they were in a meeting and it didn't look good for U.S. interests, he'd walk. He also said that if he did not believe that a deal with Kim would bear fruit, he would not engage in a meeting in the first place. It's up to Kim to want to move HIS country into a peaceful prosperous future or NOT. The door is open.

    We'll see in the next few weeks if Kim really got rid of his nuke projects or not. Over the years the U.S. has tried diplomacy and now a more direct approach. Kim's gonna do what Kim's gonna do.

    It's "a direct threat to our democracy"(per Hillary Clinton) to not accept election results.


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