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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle Of Delphi View Post
    How would you afford it without CA?
    This country could easily survive without CA.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    wait, did they think they could have 'murican water?......
    Well we certainly cannot risk letting them have access to it. They will declare it carcinogenic because it contains hydrogen and oxygen, plus its a greenhouse gas so they will outlaw the stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle Of Delphi View Post
    That's what he said. Are you wired?
    no dumbfuck.....if California leaves its not HIS social security and medicare any more......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle Of Delphi View Post
    Right, it gets confiscated by the us gubmit. Like they did with the ss trust fund.
    abso-fucking-lutely......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle Of Delphi View Post
    The red states living in poverty that CA supports like a diapered baby.
    The highest level of poverty in my State exists in the ONLY blue district in the State. It's 60% black and has over 20% use of food stamps. Can they secede with California?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle Of Delphi View Post
    Watch this video to find out.

    If California is so great with such a vibrant economy why does it depend upon the tax revenues from THE PEOPLE/FEDS to simply remain solvent? Unlike the peoples of Red States...the population/peoples of California are dependent upon handouts to exist....as demonstrated by the average Budget deficit ranging from 20-28 billion dollars a year. The evidence against California remaining solvent lies in the documented fact of the US Census and the mass exodus of both people and businesses over the past decade alone. California might make it as an independent state if they allowed the Mexicans to take over the government as they seem quite adapt at managing poverty by stealing from other nations. Has anyone taken a vacation to San Francisco lately? What....are the garbage collectors on strike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    irrelevant.....once they leave they get back nothing they contributed.....so for every dollar they had paid, they get $0
    Once they leave, they don't have to contribute anything.

    Then what are the red state welfare states gonna do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Derp View Post
    Once they leave, they don't have to contribute anything.

    Then what are the red state welfare states gonna do?
    You choose to ignore how would we pay our S.S. and Medicare, our unfunded liabilities and to create an army to defend ourselves. We'd be in a lot more trouble than the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    You choose to ignore how would we pay our S.S. and Medicare, our unfunded liabilities and to create an army to defend ourselves. We'd be in a lot more trouble than the U.S.
    CA contributes more than it takes from the Treasury.

    Which means CA pays for red state SS, Defense, Medicare.

    The rest of the US would have a huge problem if CA left; they wouldn't be able to afford all the goodies they suck up like a bunch of welfare leeches.

    How about red states learn some fiscal responsibility and stop relying on welfare, paid for by blue states, to paper over your shitty tax cut-induced deficits?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Derp View Post
    CA contributes more than it takes from the Treasury.

    Which means CA pays for red state SS, Defense, Medicare.

    The rest of the US would have a huge problem if CA left; they wouldn't be able to afford all the goodies they suck up like a bunch of welfare leeches.

    How about red states learn some fiscal responsibility and stop relying on welfare, paid for by blue states, to paper over your shitty tax cut-induced deficits?
    I'll accept your acknowledgement that those of us who live here know. We couldn't fund those things on our own

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I'll accept your acknowledgement that those of us who live here know. We couldn't fund those things on our own
    CA has a budget surplus. On top of that, CA only gets back about $0.70 for every $1 it contributes to the Treasury.

    So from a State and Federal budget perspective, CA is in the black with room to spare.

    If CA didn't have to contribute $0.25 more than it gets back, CA could easily afford its own defense and entitlement programs.

    It's red states like Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Nebraska, Kansas, West Virginia, South Carolina, Indiana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Idaho, Montana, Utah, Wisconsin, Missouri, New Mexico, Arizona, Wyoming, and Maine that wouldn't be able to sustain without the tax dollars CA contributes for that red state welfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I'll accept your acknowledgement that those of us who live here know. We couldn't fund those things on our own
    We pay our own now.

    You are repeating right wing lies about unfunded liabilities, SS and what ever other lie from the right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Derp View Post
    CA has a budget surplus. On top of that, CA only gets back about $0.70 for every $1 it contributes to the Treasury.

    So from a State and Federal budget perspective, CA is in the black with room to spare.

    If CA didn't have to contribute $0.25 more than it gets back, CA could easily afford its own defense and entitlement programs.

    It's red states like Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Nebraska, Kansas, West Virginia, South Carolina, Indiana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Idaho, Montana, Utah, Wisconsin, Missouri, New Mexico, Arizona, Wyoming, and Maine that wouldn't be able to sustain without the tax dollars CA contributes for that red state welfare.
    So you and Rana think the U.S. government would just give the billions owed to California residents in S.S. and Medicare if we seceede? And you and Rana think our current $9 billion surplus will cover the trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities we have?

    How does this math work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    We pay our own now.

    You are repeating right wing lies about unfunded liabilities, SS and what ever other lie from the right.
    Admittedly it's seductive to want to live in your world. The IRS or credit card company or any business says you owe money and you just deny you do. In the real world there are negative repercussions for not paying but not in your world. It's all make believe.

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