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    Default Robert Mueller and Co. are playing hardball....

    ....while the pussy grabber is just playing dodge ball.

    Robert Mueller and Co. are playing hardball

    President Trump and his allies in the House have done just about anything they can to undermine Robert S. Mueller III's investigation and intimidate its leaders. They've questioned the Mueller team's neutrality. They've WRONGLY suggested the investigation was launched based on the Steele dossier or the leaking of classified information. They've attacked the FISA court process. James B. Comey was fired. Andrew McCabe was targeted and later fired. And there have been threats to get rid of basically everyone else in charge of it, including most recently Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein.

    Mueller, it seems, isn't cowed. Neither, for that matter, is Rosenstein.

    The Washington Post's Carol D. Leonnig and Robert Costa broke a big story Tuesday night, reporting that Mueller at one point threatened to subpoena Trump if he wouldn't voluntarily sit for an interview. Here's the scene:

    ... Mueller responded that he had another option if Trump declined: He could issue a subpoena for the president to appear before a grand jury, according to four people familiar with the encounter.

    Mueller’s warning — the first time he is known to have mentioned a possible subpoena to Trump’s legal team — spurred a sharp retort from John Dowd, then the president’s lead lawyer.

    “This isn’t some game,” Dowd said, according to two people with knowledge of his comments. “You are screwing with the work of the president of the United States.”

    The flare-up set in motion weeks of turmoil among Trump’s attorneys as they debated how to deal with the special counsel’s request for an interview, a dispute that ultimately led to Dowd’s resignation.

    Presidents have faced subpoenas before, but the mere threat of one ratchets up the confrontation between Mueller's and Trump's teams. Trump could also fight the subpoena or even plead the Fifth Amendment, though that may come with political costs.

    That conversation, notably, came a few weeks before the FBI raided the office, home and hotel room of Trump lawyer/fixer Michael Cohen on a referral from Mueller's investigation — a highly unusual move. The raid once again prompted Trump to claim that the Mueller probe is one big violation. When combined with the show-of-force raid on Paul Manafort, the subpoena of the Trump Organization and the number of guilty pleas Mueller's team has obtained for lying to investigators, it suggests Mueller isn't exactly being shy about using his authority to locate the skeletons.

    The same could be said of Rosenstein, who appointed Mueller and oversees the investigation. After news broke Monday night of an effort by conservative House Republicans to draft impeachment papers against Rosenstein, just in case they're needed, he issued a striking rebuke for a top Justice Department official. He first noted that “nobody has the courage to put their name on” the impeachment document and poked at its authors for leaking word of their efforts.

    Then came this: “I think they should understand by now that the Department of Justice is not going to be extorted,” Rosenstein said. “We’re going to do what’s required by the rule of law, and any kind of threats that anybody makes are not going to affect the way we do our job.”

    “Extorted.” The guy who is in charge of the scope of the Russia investigation just accused House Republicans of attempted extortion.

    And he's not totally out of line. Intimidation has suited Trump well, in general. It certainly worked in the business world, and it has also worked well in the political world, where Republicans have repeatedly rebuked Trump and distanced themselves from him only to come to regret it. Trump's power with the base makes running afoul of him a very dicey proposition — so much so that Republicans rarely even try anymore. The mere threat of a presidential tweet is enough, in many cases.

    It's not difficult to understand why Trump and his allies would try this tactic on their investigators, too. If you know that an adverse finding about Trump will come with a personal cost and with 35 percent of the country thinking you are a rogue prosecutor trying to take down a president with trumped-up charges, that could feasibly affect your conclusions, even subconsciously.

    Law enforcement officials, though, are trained to be studiously neutral and to resist such pressure, and they have fewer personal political concerns than do members of Congress. Yes, they still have their personal lives and legacies to consider, including whether they handled this investigation fairly with the stakes being so high. But their jobs are less inherently political and, as James B. Comey showed, rising to the top ranks often rewards cocksureness (sometimes too much of it).

    The images Mueller and Rosenstein are projecting are pretty cocksure.
    Go Mueller Go!!! Don back off an inch. Not a millimeter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    ....while the pussy grabber is just playing dodge ball.



    Go Mueller Go!!! Don back off an inch. Not a millimeter.
    Cue the frothy-mouthed, spittle rich Trump fellatrixes in 4...3...2...1...

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    “I think they should understand by now that the Department of Justice is not going to be extorted,” Rosenstein said. “We’re going to do what’s required by the rule of law, and any kind of threats that anybody makes are not going to affect the way we do our job.”

    “Extorted.” The guy who is in charge of the scope of the Russia investigation just accused House Republicans of attempted extortion.
    Rosenweasel doesn't understand Congressional oversight.
    He's slow walking and heavily redacting everything,and then claiming extortion? WTF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Rosenweasel doesn't understand Congressional oversight.
    He's slow walking and heavily redacting everything,and then claiming extortion? WTF?
    Oh, puh-lease.

    So you think you understand more about the workings of the govt than the head of the Justice Dept?



    Unbelievable.

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    "Mueller and company" are wasting taxpayer money is what they are doing, but if it makes you cupcakes happy, I say what's the harm.

    you'll just look even more foolish when the nothing burger finishes cooking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Rosenweasel doesn't understand Congressional oversight.
    He's slow walking and heavily redacting everything,and then claiming extortion? WTF?
    No, disphit, he considers turning over evidence in an ongoing investigation to a group of serial leakers to be a very bad idea.

    Please be less stupid.

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    Modern democrats are the exact same kind of people who were responsible for the fall of countless cultures throughout history. This guy said it best. It is a perfect description of liberals.


    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

    ― Marcus Tullius Cicero

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ugly Truth View Post
    Modern democrats are the exact same kind of people who were responsible for the fall of countless cultures throughout history. This guy said it best. It is a perfect description of liberals.


    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

    ― Marcus Tullius Cicero
    So he was talking about the conservative right.

    Got it.

    Because that was an EXACT description of modern conservatives.

    With Trump as their leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Rosenweasel doesn't understand Congressional oversight.
    He's slow walking and heavily redacting everything,and then claiming extortion? WTF?

    You should have seen the Montage Morning Joe put together this morning of all The Republican Senators, Congress Women/Men and Trump Executive Staff Praising the appointment Rod Rosenstein and his Lifetime Achievements and Unmatched Integrity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    "Mueller and company" are wasting taxpayer money is what they are doing, but if it makes you cupcakes happy, I say what's the harm.

    you'll just look even more foolish when the nothing burger finishes cooking.
    "Wasting taxpayers money," posted no doubt from a strong BenghaziGate advocate who supported tax payer money funding seven years of redundant GOP "investigations" that proved nothing, and, even today, most likely approves "I won't have time to play golf" Trump’s million dollar weekend golf junkets to Florida

    The hypocrisy of it all

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    Giuliani, who failed to shut down Mueller, dictates terms of Trump interview. RUDY! On FIRE! MAGA!



    Giuliani said the president and the White House need a “more aggressive” approach as the special counsel pressures Trump for a sit-down interview. He said that Trump’s legal team is going to push Mueller to demonstrate what evidence he has and limit his questions for the president.

    “Some people have talked about a possible 12-hour interview,” he said, adding: “That’s not going to happen — I’ll tell you that. It’d be, max, two to three hours around a narrow set of questions.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...c0a_story.html


    Wait ... is this the same dude who said this would be wrapped up in a couple weeks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Rosenweasel doesn't understand Congressional oversight.
    Sure doesn't, not like Nunes, Gowdy and the gang, eh?

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    Can the President of the United States be subpoenaed or indicted by a Grand Jury in any state or local court?

    Not while as a sitting president unless it is for acts of treason.

    In 1973 amid revelations of ex-President Richard Nixon's alleged involvement in the Watergate scandal, and another in 2000 after the Clinton v. Jones sexual harassment lawsuit in 1997, the question of if a sitting president could be indicted was overwhelmingly both times shown as not possible. There needs to be a disclaimer here though, a crime that is committed, such as Nixon’s lying and aiding in having a burglary done, he could not be charged, but this was enough evidence to bring up for a impeachment from the house and congress, Clinton too was impeached by the House, while no charges can be brought while holding the office of president, after impeachment one could be brought.
    Put blame where it belongs
    ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
    It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
    The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NOVA View Post
    Can the President of the United States be subpoenaed or indicted by a Grand Jury in any state or local court?

    Not while as a sitting president unless it is for acts of treason.

    In 1973 amid revelations of ex-President Richard Nixon's alleged involvement in the Watergate scandal, and another in 2000 after the Clinton v. Jones sexual harassment lawsuit in 1997, the question of if a sitting president could be indicted was overwhelmingly both times shown as not possible. There needs to be a disclaimer here though, a crime that is committed, such as Nixon’s lying and aiding in having a burglary done, he could not be charged, but this was enough evidence to bring up for a impeachment from the house and congress, Clinton too was impeached by the House, while no charges can be brought while holding the office of president, after impeachment one could be brought.
    President can be subpoenaed, what he does next winds up in the Courts, but he can be issued a subpoena, which would put Trump in an awkward position

    Don't think Mueller will go that far, probably doesn't need to, and he is too much of a legal choir boy to put the Country thru a Constitutional crisis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourbon View Post
    Giuliani, who failed to shut down Mueller, dictates terms of Trump interview. RUDY! On FIRE! MAGA!



    Giuliani said the president and the White House need a “more aggressive” approach as the special counsel pressures Trump for a sit-down interview. He said that Trump’s legal team is going to push Mueller to demonstrate what evidence he has and limit his questions for the president.

    “Some people have talked about a possible 12-hour interview,” he said, adding: “That’s not going to happen — I’ll tell you that. It’d be, max, two to three hours around a narrow set of questions.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...c0a_story.html


    Wait ... is this the same dude who said this would be wrapped up in a couple weeks?
    How can anyone who makes the money he does and has the insurance he enjoys still have a god awful ugly mouth like that?

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