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    Quote Originally Posted by LyingThingy View Post
    Because that isn't how evolution works.
    REALLY? So what is the theory of evolution all about if not contrary to religious teachings? Do elaborate.
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    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Okay; I want to revisit this theory of evolution.

    If man evolved from monkeys as the theory goes, why didn't the OTHER monkeys and apes evolve?


    This is a great article on this exact subject, and says pretty much everything I want to say to you about it minus whatever insults I have for you.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...627-story.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    The pretentious science community for the last 30 or 40 years opine that "Because scientific theories are true, religious beliefs must be false." David Berlinski, International Review of Science editor; author of The Devil's Delusion - Atheism And Its Scientific Pretensions

    Berlinski received his Ph.D. in philosophy from Princeton University and was later a postdoctoral fellow in mathematics and molecular biology at Columbia University. He has authored works on systems analysis, differential topology, theoretical biology, analytic philosophy, and the philosophy of mathematics, as well as three novels. He has also taught philosophy, mathematics and English at Stanford, Rutgers, the City University of New York and the Université de Paris. In addition, he has held research fellowships at the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis in Austria and the Institut des Hautes Études Scientifiques. He lives in Paris.

    For the record, Berlinski is agnostic.

    I read his book.

    Very intelligent fellow—and pretty entertaining lol. Berlinski has all of credentials of the elitists in academia but he’s dismissed as a crank because only cranks disbelieve evolution and other dogmas.

    Therefore, Berlinski is a crank lol. That actually passes for logic these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    It's apparently difficult for YOU, not for Berlinski.
    I have a difficult time discussing anything with insane people. To believe in magical beings, as you do, requires a level of insanity that I am not willing to recognize as a viable alternative to rational thought.
    In short , if you believe ancient supernatural events really happened, you have to be insane.
    We have the intellect to imagine the finality of our own demise but do not have the sophistication to overcome our survival instinct and accept it.
    Solution? Magical thinking and childish promises of everlasting life.
    Ergo, religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    I read his book.

    Very intelligent fellow—and pretty entertaining lol. Berlinski has all of credentials of the elitists in academia but he’s dismissed as a crank because only cranks disbelieve evolution and other dogmas.

    Therefore, Berlinski is a crank lol. That actually passes for logic these days.
    IKR? He doesn't have the "snob factor". I loved what he said of his Hitchens debates. He tells Hitchens when it's over something along the lines of "How could you say that?" Hitchens just mumbled something like "Oh I have to say things like" LOL. It's like that's what the elites want to hear, so he just says it. Brilliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.DUMBguy View Post
    This is a great article on this exact subject, and says pretty much everything I want to say to you about it minus whatever insults I have for you.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...627-story.html
    That article is a laughably dumb assertion that somehow, just because we are "related" to apes, that doesn't mean we didn't "evolve" from them.

    So I would again assert, without insults, how is it that only SOME apes evolved yet so many others had not if the THEORY of evolution is to hold true?

    Thomas Henry Huxley applied Darwin's ideas to humans, using paleontology and comparative anatomy to provide strong evidence that humans and apes shared a common ancestry. Some were disturbed by this since it implied that humans did not have a special place in the universe.
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    There is no reason to hold the idea of evolution as incompatable with religion.
    If God can create life, there is no reason to think he could not have built in natural variation. It may in fact be required depending on where God intends for things to become.
    I get why some evangelicals disagree but dont ascribe to it myself (and neither should they of they just thought about Noah).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    There goes the neighborhood. Lying leftists cannot be civil; it would require honesty.
    It's why they never post in APP. One did, thought she was a dead serious poster, and got banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Badguy View Post
    This is a great article on this exact subject, and says pretty much everything I want to say to you about it minus whatever insults I have for you.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...627-story.html
    Very good article. Berlinski takes it a step further. He puts humans, flora and fauna in the mix...it's all life", right? I had to watch that part of the discussion twice to digest that logically. It's a brilliant argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    How does the THEORY of evolution square with religious beliefs?
    It can not.
    Religion is literally based on a hope and a prayer and evolutionary sciences are based on evidence.
    We have the intellect to imagine the finality of our own demise but do not have the sophistication to overcome our survival instinct and accept it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    The pretentious science community for the last 30 or 40 years opine that "Because scientific theories are true, religious beliefs must be false." David Berlinski, International Review of Science editor; author of The Devil's Delusion - Atheism And Its Scientific Pretensions

    Berlinski received his Ph.D. in philosophy from Princeton University and was later a postdoctoral fellow in mathematics and molecular biology at Columbia University. He has authored works on systems analysis, differential topology, theoretical biology, analytic philosophy, and the philosophy of mathematics, as well as three novels. He has also taught philosophy, mathematics and English at Stanford, Rutgers, the City University of New York and the Université de Paris. In addition, he has held research fellowships at the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis in Austria and the Institut des Hautes Études Scientifiques. He lives in Paris.

    For the record, Berlinski is agnostic.
    And the point being?

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    They are you, moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    That article is a laughably dumb assertion that somehow, just because we are "related" to apes, that doesn't mean we didn't "evolve" from them.

    So I would again assert, without insults, how is it that only SOME apes evolved yet so many others had not if the THEORY of evolution is to hold true?

    Thomas Henry Huxley applied Darwin's ideas to humans, using paleontology and comparative anatomy to provide strong evidence that humans and apes shared a common ancestry. Some were disturbed by this since it implied that humans did not have a special place in the universe.
    I would argue it's still a good article though because it does show what particular level of this discussion is usually stalled out at typically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    That article is a laughably dumb assertion that somehow, just because we are "related" to apes, that doesn't mean we didn't "evolve" from them.

    So I would again assert, without insults, how is it that only SOME apes evolved yet so many others had not if the THEORY of evolution is to hold true?

    Thomas Henry Huxley applied Darwin's ideas to humans, using paleontology and comparative anatomy to provide strong evidence that humans and apes shared a common ancestry. Some were disturbed by this since it implied that humans did not have a special place in the universe.
    You obviously didn't read it. Apes DID evolve, into what you see now.

    Becoming human isn't the ultimate goal for every species, if apes can survive and thrive in whatever environment they're in, they have no reason to develop traits other than what they already have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonthecat View Post
    It can not.
    Religion is literally based on a hope and a prayer and evolutionary sciences are based on evidence.
    Not entirely on evidence. Did you listen to Berlinski's arguement?
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