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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    is it maybe for God?....
    The Hebrews didn't have any narratives or myths before their sojourn in Babylon... at least there is no evidence that they did.

    Babylon has a very rich tradition of mythology etc.

    Leviticus and Deuteronmy were written during and after the Babylon exile.. Genesis and Exodus were written later.

    They went to a lot of effort thru their rituals and laws to maintain a separate identity from other people living in the Levant and Mesopotamia.

    Further, the creation stories from Israel and Judah are not the same, but seem to have been combined around the time of King Omri.

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    out of the five major religions of the world today three share the creation story of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam....
    The Hindus believe the universe is eternal and was never created.....
    The Buddhists believe the universe is a repeated cycle of births and deaths......that covers about 98% of religious people.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Agree, just as all peoples have their own version of the creation story.
    Exactly.. Amerindians, Hawaiians, Chinese etc all have creation stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    The Hebrews didn't have any narratives or myths before their sojourn in Babylon...
    I'm sorry you don't understand........when we say you are wrong we don't really mean you should continue to post about things you are wrong about......the Hebrews had narratives about creation even before they were Hebrews.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    out of the five major religions of the world today three share the creation story of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam....
    The Hindus believe the universe is eternal and was never created.....
    The Buddhists believe the universe is a repeated cycle of births and deaths......that covers about 98% of religious people.......
    have you ever taken a world religions class?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    The psalmist declared that God presides over an assembly of divine beings (Psa. 82:1). Who are they? What does it mean when those beings participate in God’s decisions (1 Kings 22:19–23)?

    Why wasn’t Eve surprised when the serpent spoke to her?

    Why are Yahweh and his Angel fused together in Jacob’s prayer (Gen. 48:15–16)?

    How did descendants of the Nephilim (Gen. 6:4) survive the flood (Num. 13:33)? What are we to make of Peter and Jude’s belief in imprisoned spirits (2 Pet. 2:4; Jude 6)?

    Why does Paul describe evil spirits in terms of geographical rulership (thrones, principalities, rulers, authorities)? Who are the “glorious ones” that even angels dare not rebuke (2 Pet. 2:10–11)?


    The Unseen Realm: Recovering the Supernatural Worldview of the Bible

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    You may as well be asking how did Redridinghood's grandmother survive being devoured by the wolf.
    What you question here are fantasy stories with no rational basis. Yet you are looking for rationality within them.
    An exercise in futility.
    We have the intellect to imagine the finality of our own demise but do not have the sophistication to overcome our survival instinct and accept it.
    Solution? Magical thinking and childish promises of everlasting life.
    Ergo, religion.

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    a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
    Ask yourself honestly if this describes what you believe to be true.
    If the answer is yes, you are a racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    I'm sorry you don't understand........when we say you are wrong we don't really mean you should continue to post about things you are wrong about......the Hebrews had narratives about creation even before they were Hebrews.......
    They have found thousands of clay tablets in Dilmun that are a thousand years older and tell the story of Gilgamesh..

    Then there are the much older tablets at Ras Shamra.. The Hebrews borrowed Psalms from them.

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    They have found thousands of clay tablets in Dilmun that are a thousand years older and tell the story of Gilgamesh..

    Then there are the much older tablets at Ras Shamra.. The Hebrews borrowed Psalms from them.


    They probably shared the Canaanite creation story.. since they originally were landless Canaanites.

    Canaanite Creation Story (also known as Phoenician/Syrian Creation ...



    http://www.academia.edu/.../Canaanit...enician_Syrian...



    Canaanite Creation Story (also known as Phoenician/Syrian Creation story) The entire world was once only Arapel (cloudy darkness) and Baad (wind). Baad then went onto produce Ruach, another type of wind, which instead of mingling with the darkness, blew it away to bring forth light. However, no field was yet formed, ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonthecat View Post
    You may as well be asking how did Redridinghood's grandmother survive being devoured by the wolf.
    What you question here are fantasy stories with no rational basis. Yet you are looking for rationality within them.
    An exercise in futility.
    I think the evolution of beliefs is fascinating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    I think the evolution of beliefs is fascinating.
    So is mental illness.
    We have the intellect to imagine the finality of our own demise but do not have the sophistication to overcome our survival instinct and accept it.
    Solution? Magical thinking and childish promises of everlasting life.
    Ergo, religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Thank you, another book for my reading list.
    a must read. a comedy of religion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job:_A_Comedy_of_Justice

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    I hope everyone realizes and acknowledges that considering whether the god of the Bible exists or is just a mythological character...

    ...is different from considering whether or not there are gods involved in the REALITY of existence. They are two different questions being considered.

    The god of the Bible may be pure mythology...a pretend being interspersed in this book which seems primarily to be a rather self-serving history of the early Hebrew people. That, however, would have no impact on whether or not at least one "god" exists.

    Said another way: The true nature of the REALITY of existence may or may not contain a being (beings) which transcends what we humans think of as "the reality."

    We humans ought really to acknowledge our place in existence...which is: WE DO NOT KNOW HOW IMPORTANT OR UNIMPORTANT WE ARE.

    We humans may be the ONLY living things anywhere.

    On the other hand, what we humans call "the universe" MAY be teeming with other life.

    We do not know.

    We also do not know if any gods exist.

    That is something we ought to keep in mind during discussions such as this.

    Just sayin'!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnkaRitche View Post
    a must read. a comedy of religion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job:_A_Comedy_of_Justice

    By robert heinlein.
    I love Heinlein, thanks

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    Tell me with a straight face that this guy is sane.

    We have the intellect to imagine the finality of our own demise but do not have the sophistication to overcome our survival instinct and accept it.
    Solution? Magical thinking and childish promises of everlasting life.
    Ergo, religion.

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