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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    ????....don't be silly.....a perfect, omniscient, omnipotent, and all-loving God can certainly tell you that he so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life......Christ died for you on a tree that was not in a forest......
    So as an example, is your point that if Hitler stated he believed right before he killed himself, he would go to heaven?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    They also get upset if you point out that were it not for Martin Luther, they'd still be Catholics themselves.
    Lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    So as an example, is your point that if Hitler stated he believed right before he killed himself, he would go to heaven?
    no.....stating it is not enough......but if God found that he truly believed it, then yes...and that is what God judges, not whether you've been good or bad....if that were the test, everyone would be in hell......

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    They also get upset if you point out that were it not for Martin Luther, they'd still be Catholics themselves.
    That is where being informed, educated, and erudite comes into action.

    Because I am pretty sure I have met bible thumping Evangelicals who would not get what you are talking about. Which gets back to my point about people who claim to be fervent Christians, but don't actually know much about Chrisitanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    so please tell me what Catholics follow.......has the Pope abandoned the edicts of the 60s that said salvation comes solely from faith in Jesus Christ or is he now saying, as this thread claims, that even people who deny that God exists will be in heaven?.......
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/po...ration_en.html
    The short version:

    The Catholic Church is the community of those who profess their belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of
    God, publicly affirm that belief through Baptism, celebrate it through the Eucharist, accept the teachings
    of Christ that have come down to us from the apostles, and carry out the sacramental life and mission of
    the Church under the leadership of the pope and those ordained in apostolic succession.





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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    The short version:

    The Catholic Church is the community of those who profess their belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of
    God, publicly affirm that belief through Baptism, celebrate it through the Eucharist, accept the teachings
    of Christ that have come down to us from the apostles, and carry out the sacramental life and mission of
    the Church under the leadership of the pope and those ordained in apostolic succession.



    so has the Pope changed that or not?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    no.....stating it is not enough......but if God found that he truly believed it, then yes...and that is what God judges, not whether you've been good or bad....if that were the test, everyone would be in hell......
    The person who sinned by bearing false witness, for example, is not on the same level as the person who called for the extermination of millions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    so has the Pope changed that or not?....
    Not ex-cathedra.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    The person who sinned by bearing false witness, for example, is not on the same level as the person who called for the extermination of millions.
    /shrugs.......we believe there is no difference.......any disobedience is disobedience......be that as it may, does the Bible have two standards......"believe on the Lord Jesus and be saved unless you've been a real nasty bitch like Hitler"?.......I missed that passage of scripture......

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Not ex-cathedra.
    so are you saying this thead is a lie?.....that atheists won't be going to heaven?.....or are you saying the pope is simply wrong but its okay because he wasn't being official......I understand its okay to be fallible if you aren't being official......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Who is threatening you? You're argument is with God, not us. All I can do is present what God says about salvation. The rest? It's between you and God. Fight it out with him.....or not if he doesn't interest you.
    My argument isn't with God since I will never get a response. The only people who respond are those who think they speak for God. People like you who love to use threats of hell fire and eternal punishment as your selling point.

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    PMP is a fucking retard. These idiots need counseling. If only he could see that when scripture is quoted as some ultimate reality,
    it has the same effect on me as would some fruitcake explaining to him how the Jedi Force is real. He would know is was just a fucking fable
    and laugh his ass off. These losers have made a corrupt and horrid industry out of deceiving vulnerable idiots the world over.

    Stretch, fuck yourself. God doesn't say shit to anyone. You are parroting some ancient asshole con artists and their present counterparts.

    Yuck. This world sucks. These losers need to check out. I want to die and come back in a million years when these idiots have evolved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotcha68 View Post
    My argument isn't with God since I will never get a response. The only people who respond are those who think they speak for God. People like you who love to use threats of hell fire and eternal punishment as your selling point.
    So, you won't talk to God because you think he won't answer you (at least the way YOU expect an answer).
    I can only post God's Word. His Word is how he speaks and responds to us. Take it or leave it.
    We have only 2 choices. Life or death...and then the Lord is even loving enough to GIVE us right answer!


    This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him.
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    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    So, you won't talk to God because you think he won't answer you (at least the way YOU expect an answer).
    I can only post God's Word. His Word is how he speaks and responds to us. Take it or leave it.
    We have only 2 choices. Life or death...and then the Lord is even loving enough to GIVE us right answer!


    This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him.
    Deut 30:19-20
    I "won't" talk to your God because there has never been evidence it existed beyond a book written by men and beyond the threats of eternal violence if you don't believe in it by its followers.

    You need to work on your sales pitch if you want to convince anyone of your mental issues aka faith in an invisible being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    That is where being informed, educated, and erudite comes into action.

    Because I am pretty sure I have met bible thumping Evangelicals who would not get what you are talking about. Which gets back to my point about people who claim to be fervent Christians, but don't actually know much about Chrisitanity.
    Yet atheists like you claim to know all about it. Funny how you think you can understand something that has to be viewed in a theological manner by looking at it in a secular one.

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