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    I’m surprised that there hasn’t been more discussion on here about Men Going There Own Way (MGTOW). To the uninformed they are a men’s rights organization that advocates against marriage or long term relationships with women. It would be interesting to hear people’s views on MGTOW.

    On the surface they do have some seemingly legitimate gripes;

    Marriage is a high cost, high risk, low payout proposition for men.

    Divorce is too permissive and legally stacked against men. For example only 10% of men are awarded custody in divorce and most must pay alimony and child support even when women initiate divorce or are at fault.

    That feminists demands for gender equality are often hypocritical in that they don’t demand a corresponding level of personal accountability and responsibility.

    That the role of father and husband has been marginalized by popular media as socially inept bumbling Fools.

    That women use marriage to advance their status and divorce when a higher status option becomes available leaving their divorced husband emotionally and financially crippled.

    So are MGTOW defenders views legitimate or are they the whining of low status mysogynist who won’t man up?
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    MGTOW is much broader than that......just last week I went out with the wife and she said "you're not going out wearing THAT are you?"......and I said "Yes".........

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    They're mostly angry incels who want to think themselves otherwise. They might have legitimate complaints but they're not single by choice, so it doesn't matter much.
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    Sounds like a band of losers to me.

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    Divorce is too permissive and legally stacked against men.
    "Too Permissive" sound like the complaint by control freaks. As for "legally stacked", men can file just as easily as women can

    For example only 10% of men are awarded custody in divorce
    I seriously doubt that is true. Usually it is joint custody.


    and most must pay alimony and child support even when women initiate divorce or are at fault.
    Those are largely based on income, so if the man makes significantly more money, he will have to pay. If the woman makes significantly more money, she will have to pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I’m surprised that there hasn’t been more discussion on here about Men Going There Own Way (MGTOW). To the uninformed they are a men’s rights organization that advocates against marriage or long term relationships with women. It would be interesting to hear people’s views on MGTOW.

    On the surface they do have some seemingly legitimate gripes;

    Marriage is a high cost, high risk, low payout proposition for men.

    Divorce is too permissive and legally stacked against men. For example only 10% of men are awarded custody in divorce and most must pay alimony and child support even when women initiate divorce or are at fault.

    That feminists demands for gender equality are often hypocritical in that they don’t demand a corresponding level of personal accountability and responsibility.

    That the role of father and husband has been marginalized by popular media as socially inept bumbling Fools.

    That women use marriage to advance their status and divorce when a higher status option becomes available leaving their divorced husband emotionally and financially crippled.

    So are MGTOW defenders views legitimate or are they the whining of low status mysogynist who won’t man up?
    I think that is fine, until you develop the type of relationship where people give up something, like a career, for the benefit of the two people expecting that it will pay off for both in the long run. The person taking the risky position, the dependent position, should insist on marriage or some type of a legal contract in case the non-dependent person decides not to fulfil their side of the bargain.

    If a woman stays home to support her husband/boyfriend's career, or allow him to have a relationship with children while he pursues a career.. she is giving up something and if he later leaves her flat, she loses unless protected by marriage or a Contract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I’m surprised that there hasn’t been more discussion on here about Men Going There Own Way (MGTOW). To the uninformed they are a men’s rights organization that advocates against marriage or long term relationships with women. It would be interesting to hear people’s views on MGTOW.

    On the surface they do have some seemingly legitimate gripes;

    Marriage is a high cost, high risk, low payout proposition for men.

    Divorce is too permissive and legally stacked against men. For example only 10% of men are awarded custody in divorce and most must pay alimony and child support even when women initiate divorce or are at fault.

    That feminists demands for gender equality are often hypocritical in that they don’t demand a corresponding level of personal accountability and responsibility.

    That the role of father and husband has been marginalized by popular media as socially inept bumbling Fools.

    That women use marriage to advance their status and divorce when a higher status option becomes available leaving their divorced husband emotionally and financially crippled.

    So are MGTOW defenders views legitimate or are they the whining of low status mysogynist who won’t man up?
    Marriage is a legal and binding contract for the benefit of the children and wives. It is a hold over from times that women were not employed outside the home. If you think marriage is a religious thing, get a divorce and the courts will make it clear to you , that it is not.

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    Men do have some legitimate gripes. Women do too.
    The best "general" indicator of how a man or woman will be in the role of a husband or wife is how the prospective spouse treats/thinks of/speaks to members of the opposite sex while they are dating. That treatment usually shows up in the treatment of THEM as well. And, that the prospective spouse is happy and content with themselves, not having a compulsive NEED for the other to PROVIDE their happiness...but, simply loving the other person and looking for a marriage where each personality compliments the other one's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I think that is fine, until you develop the type of relationship where people give up something, like a career, for the benefit of the two people expecting that it will pay off for both in the long run. The person taking the risky position, the dependent position, should insist on marriage or some type of a legal contract in case the non-dependent person decides not to fulfil their side of the bargain.

    If a woman stays home to support her husband/boyfriend's career, or allow him to have a relationship with children while he pursues a career.. she is giving up something and if he later leaves her flat, she loses unless protected by marriage or a Contract.
    But that isn't their position Jared. Their position is that the legal deck is stacked against them and that marriage is to costly and risky with to little payback and thus should be avoided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl View Post
    They're mostly angry incels who want to think themselves otherwise. They might have legitimate complaints but they're not single by choice, so it doesn't matter much.
    What do you mean they're not single by choice? That it what MGTOW is advocating.
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    I think that there is a legitimate case to say that MGTOW advocates need to man up. I was brought up that it's a cold hard cruel world out there and that it's a man's lot in life to accept accountability and responsibility for their family and loved ones and that there is a lot of satisfaction to be gained by taking this leadership role. I think their views have some legitimacy on the surface but and that there are legitimate issues that need to be addressed with some of the hypocritical views of gender equity and marginalizing the traditional roles of father and husband but that's not an excuse to cop out of society. Ultimately MGTOW is a form of hedonism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    What do you mean they're not single by choice? That it what MGTOW is advocating.
    I mean they didn't have a say in the matter because no one wants to date them or marry them to begin with. It's like me saying I want no part of being a model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl View Post
    I mean they didn't have a say in the matter because no one wants to date them or marry them to begin with. It's like me saying I want no part of being a model.
    I think that's largely true that they are low status males who resent not being selected and are making excuses for not making the effort at self improvement required to be selected.
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    sounds good. you can get everything you want outside of marraige anyway
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