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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    A lot wrong w/ this reply. First, if you think the "saber-rattling" is what accomplished this, then there should be something you can provide to back that up.

    And no on the 2nd point - anatta has made a huge deal out of rhetoric when it comes from people he doesn't like, like Hillary & McCain. So, that 2nd statement is just false.
    Use your head for once -i can find policy mags that say the same thing that Trump's saber rattling COUPLED with threats of force got kim to the table.
    But why else would he do this?.

    McCain is a special case -he gets slammed for being a warmonger on everything. Hillary gets criticized for Libya -not learning from Iraq -,not her "rhetoric"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    A lot wrong w/ this reply. First, if you think the "saber-rattling" is what accomplished this, then there should be something you can provide to back that up.

    And no on the 2nd point - anatta has made a huge deal out of rhetoric when it comes from people he doesn't like, like Hillary & McCain. So, that 2nd statement is just false.
    So, Kim just woke up one day and decided to denuclearize and talk peace with SK while thinking Trump might as well be in a parallel universe lol?

    Like I said, you’re beyond hope.

    Rhetoric from past warmongers have past actions to back up their rhetoric. Trump’s rhetoric doesn’t make him a warmonger any more than me saying I can dunk on Lebron makes me an NBA lottery pick.

    I hope that helps.
    Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    Ten days ago, President Trump was saying 'the United States should withdraw from Syria.' We convinced him it was necessary to stay."

    Thus boasted French President Emmanuel Macron Saturday, adding, "We convinced him it was necessary to stay for the long term."

    Is the U.S. indeed in the Syrian civil war "for the long term"?

    If so, who made that fateful decision for this republic?

    U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley confirmed Sunday there would be no drawdown of the 2,000 U.S. troops in Syria, until three objectives were reached. We must fully defeat ISIS, ensure chemical weapons would not again be used by Bashar Assad and maintain the ability to watch Iran.

    Translation: Whatever Trump says, America is not coming out of Syria. We are going deeper in. Trump's commitment to extricate us from these bankrupting and blood-soaked Middle East wars and to seek a new rapprochement with Russia is "inoperative."

    The War Party that Trump routed in the primaries is capturing and crafting his foreign policy. Monday's Wall Street Journal editorial page fairly blossomed with war plans:

    "The better U.S. strategy is to ... turn Syria into the Ayatollah's Vietnam. Only when Russia and Iran began to pay a larger price in Syria will they have any incentive to negotiate an end to the war or even contemplate a peace based on dividing the country into ethnic-based enclaves."

    Apparently, we are to bleed Syria, Russia, Hezbollah and Iran until they cannot stand the pain and submit to subdividing Syria the way we want.

    But suppose that, as in our Civil War of 1861-1865, the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1939, and the Chinese Civil War of 1945-1949, Assad and his Russian, Iranian and Shiite militia allies go all out to win and reunite the nation.

    Suppose they choose to fight to consolidate the victory they have won after seven years of civil war. Where do we find the troops to take back the territory our rebels lost? Or do we just bomb mercilessly?

    The British and French say they will back us in future attacks if chemical weapons are used, but they are not plunging into Syria.

    Defense Secretary James Mattis called the U.S.-British-French attack a "one-shot" deal. British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson appears to agree: "The rest of the Syrian war must proceed as it will."

    The Journal's op-ed page Monday was turned over to former U.S. ambassador to Syria Ryan Crocker and Brookings Institute senior fellow Michael O'Hanlon: "Next time the U.S. could up the ante, going after military command and control, political leadership, and perhaps even Assad himself. The U.S. could also pledge to take out much of his air force. Targets within Iran should not be off limits."

    And when did Congress authorize U.S. acts of war against Syria, its air force or political leadership? When did Congress authorize the killing of the president of Syria whose country has not attacked us?

    Can the U.S. also attack Iran and kill the ayatollah without consulting Congress?

    Clearly, with the U.S. fighting in six countries, Commander in Chief Trump does not want any new wars, or to widen any existing wars in the Middle East. But he is being pushed into becoming a war president to advance the agenda of foreign policy elites who, almost to a man, opposed his election.

    We have a reluctant president being pushed into a war he does not want to fight. This is a formula for a strategic disaster not unlike Vietnam or George W. Bush's war to strip Iraq of nonexistent WMD.

    The assumption of the War Party seems to be that if we launch larger and more lethal strikes in Syria, inflicting casualties on Russians, Iranians, Hezbollah and the Syrian army, they will yield to our demands.

    But where is the evidence for this?

    What reason is there to believe these forces will surrender what they have paid in blood to win? And if they choose to fight and widen the war to the larger Middle East, are we prepared for that?

    As for Trump's statement Friday, "No amount of American blood and treasure can produce lasting peace in the Middle East," the Washington Post Sunday dismissed this as "fatalistic" and "misguided."

    We have a vital interest, says the Post, in preventing Iran from establishing a "land corridor" across Syria.

    Yet consider how Iran acquired this "land corridor."

    The Shiites in 1979 overthrew a shah our CIA installed in 1953.

    The Shiites control Iraq because President Bush invaded and overthrew Saddam and his Sunni Baath Party, disbanded his Sunni-led army, and let the Shiite majority take control of the country.

    The Shiites are dominant in Lebanon because they rose up and ran out the Israelis, who invaded in 1982 to run out the PLO.

    How many American dead will it take to reverse this history?

    How long will we have to stay in the Middle East to assure the permanent hegemony of Sunni over Shiite?
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ty_136823.html
    Funny how electoral outcomes always wind up in the same place ain't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    Use your head for once -i can find policy mags that say the same thing that Trump's saber rattling COUPLED with threats of force got kim to the table.
    But why else would he do this?.

    McCain is a special case -he gets slammed for being a warmonger on everything. Hillary gets criticized for Libya -not learning from Iraq -,not her "rhetoric"
    NK has been talking about denuclearization since 2005. There a MANY factors involved w/ this consideration, most of which were on the table well before Trump talking about how big of a button he had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    So, Kim just woke up one day and decided to denuclearize and talk peace with SK while thinking Trump might as well be in a parallel universe lol?

    Like I said, you’re beyond hope.

    Rhetoric from past warmongers have past actions to back up their rhetoric. Trump’s rhetoric doesn’t make him a warmonger any more than me saying I can dunk on Lebron makes me an NBA lottery pick.

    I hope that helps.
    I'm sure you're aware that we sold them, the North Koreans, nuclear reactors a mere two years before we placed them on an axis of evil list. It was an utterly bipartisan affair, the plan having been initiated under Clinton and followed through on by GW. The reactors were sold as it turns out from a company that Rumsfeld had once sat on the board of directors of. And Bush ponied up US taxpayer funding to assist North Korea in closing the deal; so you helped pay for them.

    But then we learned this:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/rare-...changer-2015-4

    https://thediplomat.com/2014/01/nort...s-rare-earths/

    http://world.time.com/2014/01/17/nor...-game-changer/

    So of course our Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class is going to need a "regime change". The power structure is just dicking around with what excuse it will feed a befuddled and impotent public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fentoine Lum View Post
    I'm sure you're aware that we sold them, the North Koreans, nuclear reactors a mere two years before we placed them on an axis of evil list. It was an utterly bipartisan affair, the plan having been initiated under Clinton and followed through on by GW. The reactors were sold as it turns out from a company that Rumsfeld had once sat on the board of directors of. And Bush ponied up US taxpayer funding to assist North Korea in closing the deal; so you helped pay for them.

    But then we learned this:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/rare-...changer-2015-4

    https://thediplomat.com/2014/01/nort...s-rare-earths/

    http://world.time.com/2014/01/17/nor...-game-changer/

    So of course our Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class is going to need a "regime change". The power structure is just dicking around with what excuse it will feed a befuddled and impotent public.
    Because of China, we can’t regime change in NK like we did in Libya or Iraq.
    Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    NK has been talking about denuclearization since 2005. There a MANY factors involved w/ this consideration, most of which were on the table well before Trump talking about how big of a button he had.
    NK has been holding out a virtual ( not real) carrot of denukes . And then we shower them with money hoping they do so.
    Trump doesn't promise carrots -just sticks. and gets a promise, not vague reference,
    backed with a delay on testing .

    You are having a conniption because it's Trump- not disagreeing with his actions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Because of China, we can’t regime change in NK like we did in Libya or Iraq.
    Oh we're gonna try, watch. War is business in america, and we simply cannot live without it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    NK has been holding out a virtual ( not real) carrot of denukes . And then we shower them with money hoping they do so.
    Trump doesn't promise carrots -just sticks. and gets a promise, not vague reference,
    backed with a delay on testing .

    You are having a conniption because it's Trump- not disagreeing with his actions
    Don's a puppet, look at his flip-flopping on Syria. The corporate state will have its global plunder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fentoine Lum View Post
    Oh we're gonna try, watch. War is business in america, and we simply cannot live without it now.
    I don’t disagree with the business part.

    But China is a complicating factor. And Trump is after his Peace Prize lol, so the warmongers might have to sit this one out.

    Trump IS president.
    Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fentoine Lum View Post
    Don's a puppet, look at his flip-flopping on Syria. The corporate state will have its global plunder.
    rhetoric. Syria has been addressed. where it goes from here is what matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fentoine Lum View Post
    Don's a puppet, look at his flip-flopping on Syria. The corporate state will have its global plunder.
    Firing missiles at chemical installations does not regime change make.

    We/Trump can take out Assad within a few hours [or less] of the decision to do so. Until he does, Trump is not guilty of warmongering.
    Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    I don’t disagree with the business part.

    But China is a complicating factor. And Trump is after his Peace Prize lol, so the warmongers might have to sit this one out.

    Trump IS president.
    Bwa ha ha ha, yeah, he's all about peace, just like america.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Firing missiles at chemical installations does not regime change make.

    We/Trump can take out Assad within a few hours [or less] of the decision to do so. Until he does, Trump is not guilty of warmongering.
    This is the third time we've bombed them over nonsense we couldn't wait to substantiate, and one of those times the claim was later debunked. You'll recall we did the same with Saddam, and we gave him the gas we wailed about him using.

    Phuck Don, he's an idiot and we would certainly have gotten this furthering of empire under Hillary as well.

    Your entire power structure runs upon war mongering. America will be at constant war until it goes down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    NK has been holding out a virtual ( not real) carrot of denukes . And then we shower them with money hoping they do so.
    Trump doesn't promise carrots -just sticks. and gets a promise, not vague reference,
    backed with a delay on testing .

    You are having a conniption because it's Trump- not disagreeing with his actions
    I don't want any President or politician talking about the size of buttons.

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