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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    List by the International Institute for Strategic Studies
    Top 10 Defense Budgets 2017 ($ Bn.)

    1 United States 602.8
    2 China 150.5
    3 Saudi Arabia 76.7
    4 Russia 61.2
    5 India 52.5
    6 United Kingdom 50.7
    7 France 48.6
    8 Japan 46.0
    9 Germany 41.7
    10 South Korea 35.7

    https://www.iiss.org/-/media//docume...2017.jpg?la=en
    Its a "good" thing to have the biggest ATTACK DOG on the block.......just ask any of the above mentioned nations that had their tits removed from the proverbial wringer by the United States in the 20th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Its a "good" thing to have the biggest ATTACK DOG on the block.......just ask any of the above mentioned nations that had their tits removed from the proverbial wringer by the United States in the 20th century.
    we spend more than is necessary for having the biggest attack dog on the planet. the rest is bureaucratic waste and personal profit for the MIC
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    The US has spent more than the next 10 nations combined on military and have done so for decades. Ike warned us about the military/industrial complex an what it could do. that is exactly what happened. The original farewell speech was supposed to include media in the military/industrial complex. The military never wants to stay the same. They always want more. What general says we don't want a bigger budget? We have 800 military bases around the globe. We are blowing our healthcare, infrastructure and school money on the military.The only ones who say we do not have the by far strongest military in the world, are Americans .Eisenhower said it was guns or butter, and we chose guns.
    So we'll beat the North Koreans and radical Muslims with more butter ?
    and we'll make the kids smarter by making the teachers richer ?
    Put blame where it belongs
    ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
    It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
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    Feeding starving children is "waste" to republicans. Scientific research is "waste". Only new shiny battleships that sure would've knocked the hell out of Hitler's army but are useless on modern warfare are truly necessary spending.

    Conservatism is waste.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    List by the International Institute for Strategic Studies
    Top 10 Defense Budgets 2017 ($ Bn.)

    1 United States 602.8
    2 China 150.5
    3 Saudi Arabia 76.7
    4 Russia 61.2
    5 India 52.5
    6 United Kingdom 50.7
    7 France 48.6
    8 Japan 46.0
    9 Germany 41.7
    10 South Korea 35.7

    https://www.iiss.org/-/media//docume...2017.jpg?la=en
    There's no such thing as spending too much money on the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOVA View Post
    So we'll beat the North Koreans and radical Muslims with more butter ?
    and we'll make the kids smarter by making the teachers richer ?
    I agree. that would be a good start. Butter is a metaphor for all that goes to the people and builds the society. Why don't we try waging peace instead of war? What do we need to be safe from white power and the neo Nazis?
    Last edited by Nordberg; 03-23-2018 at 07:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    I agree. that would be a good start. Butter is a metaphor for all that goes to the people and builds the society. Why don't we try waging peace instead of war? What do we ned to be safe from white power and the neo Nazis?
    Yes, wage peace. Would work wonders in today's global society

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    I agree. It would. Long history of war for money by America. Smedley Butler was a general who said he was sick of fighting wars for American corporations. People want peace.Corporations want war. Generals need war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    Last week on Capitol Hill, several top U.S. military leaders from across the armed services presented a sobering case to Congress: U.S. military readiness is the lowest it has been in decades, leaving it unprepared to defend America’s interests at home and abroad.

    In testimony before the Senate and House Armed Services committees, the vice chiefs of staff of the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force articulated pressing concerns about the state of their branchs’ readiness to respond to conflicts overseas or attacks on the homeland.

    The hearing highlighted substantial readiness and capacity issues within each of the services:

    - Army: Of 58 total brigade combat teams (the Army’s main combat building block), only three are considered ready for combat.

    -Navy: The Navy’s fleet is the smallest it has been in nearly 100 years. This makes ship repairs harder to complete, as those vessels are needed on the waterways.

    -Marine Corps: Eighty percent of Marine aviation units do not have even the minimum number of aircraft they need for training and basic operations.

    -Air Force: The Air Force is the smallest and, in terms of many of its aircraft, oldest it has ever been. The service had 8,600 aircraft in 1991 while today it only has 5,500, and those aircraft are an average of 27 years old. Worse, fewer than half of those aircraft are prepared to take on and defeat our adversaries.

    These troubling findings by the services echo those laid out by The Heritage Foundation in its 2017 Index of U.S. Military Strength, which rated the Army as “Weak” and the other three branches as “Marginal” in terms of their ability to fight and win major conflicts.

    What was noteworthy about the vice chiefs’ testimony beyond these startling numbers, however, was their brutal honesty.

    For eight years under the Obama administration, top defense officials were largely silenced and prevented from articulating their concerns about budget cuts and decreased readiness to policymakers with the ability to reverse undeniable decline.

    What this hearing and other recent public statements are showing, however, is that defense leaders believe they can now begin to speak openly about the challenges they face, and that Congress and the administration can address these negative trends—especially those caused by diminishing resources.

    Make no mistake—budget cuts, especially sequestration cuts implemented indiscriminately across the board beginning more than five years ago, have been devastating to the U.S. military.

    Look at flying hours, for example.

    Navy, Marine, and Air Force pilots have all seen their flying hours substantially reduced because there simply is not enough money to fly sorties. This has led to pilots being unable to maintain cockpit skills, which like everything else, will atrophy without constant tuning and training.

    Worse, this inability to maintain proficiency has led to lethal accidents and loss of aircraft, which may have been preventable—to say nothing of the danger of thrusting our service men and women into combat without giving them the opportunity to train and maximize their readiness.

    John Venable, a Heritage senior research fellow for defense policy and retired F-16 pilot with more than 4,400 hours in the cockpit, has written that the 2015 Air Force average of 150 flight hours per year per pilot (just under three a week) means
    And this is 20 to 30 years later, in a world where our enemies have become stronger, more advanced, and more aggressive.

    Even if the budget for flight hours existed, however, in many cases it simply would not matter, because the majority of the services’ aircraft are not even considered flyable.

    According to multiple reports just this week, about two-thirds of the Navy’s fighter/attack aircraft and more than half of the Marine Corps’ total aircraft fleet are unable to even get off the ground.

    These problems are merely the tip of the iceberg. The American people can expect to hear more accounts like these in the coming months as we learn more about the declining state of U.S. military readiness.

    However, hope is not lost. Congress and the Trump administration can act to begin reversing this trend. Eliminating sequestration cuts implemented by the Budget Control Act is a necessary first step.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    I agree. It would. Long history of war for money by America. Smedley Butler was a general who said he was sick of fighting wars for American corporations. People want peace.Corporations want war. Generals need war.
    Say we cut our military in half. You think there would be no economic repercussions to our global supply chains?

    Who would come to our defense if we needed help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    A strong military is a valid deterrent world wide.
    Why yes and there’s no way our military can possibly be strong enough when they only have more money to spend then the other top ten countries combined.

    I mean hell this the absolute worst case scenario for a career officer. Fucking peace has broken out. What a calamity! LOL LOL LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by NOVA View Post
    So we'll beat the North Koreans and radical Muslims with more butter ?
    and we'll make the kids smarter by making the teachers richer ?
    Well yeah. If we paid teachers better we might attract even better people to the profession. That would not hurt. So good idea. Richer? Slanted term. If you mean pay them better, then OK. Your term makes the assumption teacher are rich now and would get even richer. Not fair language.Not in touch with reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Say we cut our military in half. You think there would be no economic repercussions to our global supply chains?

    Who would come to our defense if we needed help?
    Are you saying our global supply chain can only be sustained at the point of gun? That’s absurd. A strong military is essential to protecting our interests but there’s a word for dropping that kind of coin to support 800 military bases around the world. It’s called Colonialism and if you think that’s hyperbole most of those bases are located where former British Empire bases used to be.

    These Commanders in the military who are saying that we are dangerously underfunded to maintain preparedness should be fired. If they can’t get the job done on an annual budget of $600 billion they are obviously incompetent.

    Where the military is concerned that cup will never be full. Those who believe it are gullible rubes of the lowest order.
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    Waste doesn't cause unreadiness. These are supposedly funded programs. existing equipment/personell is being underfunded

    look at all all the recent crashes ( chopper in Iraq last week) both mission and in training.
    If you had been paying attention at all ( and by the looks of this thread were not) you would have heard
    "force readiness" under-funding ( including training equipment) was the underlying problem .

    BTW we have the largest and most sophisticated armed forces in the world..
    which is why we're #1 in spending as well

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