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    Meat-eating is "Tamasic" [tama guna related] ---thus, anti-Brahmacarya.

    Brahmacarya = Celibate Student.

    All things related to the Protocols of Brahmacarya-ism will support vegetarian-ism.

    BTW, abstaining from Garlic, onions, vinegar help too.

    Let me repeat the "Standard of Measurement":
    MEAT EATERS CANNOT KEEP CELIBATE.

    OTOH, A vegetarian is seduced by ALL the Other Allurements into the bargain,

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    "Karma is Transmitted by Bodily Fluids".
    This is not simply an effort at wit ---it is a Truth and it also is the Plain Logic of how 'Karma' is transmitted via consumption.

    Do You Agree: "Karma is Transmitted by Bodily Fluids"?

    Being an 'accessory to a crime' is usually pointed out by the prosecuting team ---it is usually ignored by the perpetrators themselves.

    Gita 2.62-63:
    "While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from lust anger arises.

    From anger, complete delusion arises, and from delusion bewilderment of memory. When memory is bewildered, intelligence is lost, and when intelligence is lost one falls down again into the material pool."

    In addition to 'Instant' karmic reactions to meat eating ---there are long term waits before karmic strikes. It's the desires that get inflamed/induced and raises hopes/desires higher. It's the strenuousness fear and sudden shock that the butchered animal endured that is earned in return for consuming their bodily fluids and skin and paws etc.

    Karma will get its conconminant Pound of Flesh Back ---we aren't above and more precious a creation than a fowl ---a creature that WE cannot replicate in a lab. We are in a dog-eat-dog world.

    Where do you think the evidence [for my stance] is to be found?

    Will you tell me after the debt is balanced?

    It's NOT the vegetarians with bad luck that Rule You and me and tell us how much the Toll is raising nor how school and rent costs will rise again and agin and again until you dead and gone.

    It's NOT the vegetarians that are crooked and dictatorial and selling Viagra during the evening Simpson Cartoon.

    Gita 7.3:
    Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for perfection, and of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in truth.

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    Karma is impersonal and cold and "grinds exceedingly fine".

    Karma is meant for humans to learn by the Stick

    simultaneously-Ironically,

    Karma applies its rules impersonally.

    And doublely-Ironically, everyone keeps coming back for more.

    I am NOT remotely promoting an idea that Meat eating & War have a "Direct Cause & Effect" ---why would you bother considering that?

    Does Car manufacturing result in Drunk Driving? They are distinct entities.

    I am absolutely referring to the paradyms of society network of Karma that HAS ALREADY yield Super-Mega-Mass-Wars ... but it starts in the details ... the lust and the un-mitigating meglomania that comes from meat eating is the common denoumenator amongst the statistical number of perpetrators.

    What a shame & sham to mention Hitler as a vegetarian [which I have learn is not true] ---because has no relevance . . .

    evidently (or due to self-denial inre this subject) that the Royal Dynasty of Adam and Eve sufferred an fraticide assasination by the First princes of the Old Testiment ---over a Flesh Ritual Sacrifice:

    Cain killed, nay, "Murdered" is brother ... cain did this a] against the Golden Rule & b] as per the injunctions of the Gita words inre "Lust & un-satiated Desires beget rage"

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    Okay, let's try out the vista from the contrary POV:

    Fiddling Uncle Ernie the CEO of Erections International says,

    "Eat a different type of Meats every day of your life"
    "Feed a different type of Meats to young girls along with alcohol"
    "Sing songs with vague and/or explicit sexual references"
    "Advertise & reinforce vice with sexual allurements"
    "never call societal commoners Trash, but rather engage them in the underworld"
    "There is always greener pastures after a prison stay"
    "just have an abortion"
    "Watch and absorb the principles enjoined in the Sensational Boop-tube sages of "Three and a half Men" and seek your piece of the pie"
    "You only live once so... &^%$# whenever & where ever &^%$ ...you can"

    but ironically, the advice of Fagen the master pickpocket is timeless like:

    "But what ever you do DO NOT FORSAKE PAYING YOUR TAXES"

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    Don't be a Cosmic Hobo.
    Make use of your chance at Good-Karma Accruement now,
    bhaktajan

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    Bodily fluids transmit Karma"

    similarly, or said in a more rudimentary way:

    "Karma is transmitted by ingesting an outside entity"

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    The direct Cause & Effect phenomenon is NOT instant-gratification.

    The insidious nature that Karmic payback takes form as, requires gestation periods to fructify.

    The fermentation process [of karmic payback] allows the web-like network of interactions to flux until they swell ---just like baking bread.

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    "Whoever causes offenseless living beings to suffer must fear me anywhere and everywhere in the world.
    By curbing dishonest miscreants, one automatically benefits the offenseless." SB 1.17.14

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    To Eat meat is to be Sadistic.

    Sadistic personality disorder, an obsolete term proposed for individuals who derive pleasure from the suffering of others
    Antisocial personality disorder, a modern diagnosis
    Sexual sadism disorder, a medical/psychological condition for sexual arousal from inflicting pain/humiliation on unwilling, non-consenting victims
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadism

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    I'm a hardcore meat eater, but am more gentle than most. Meat eating causes wars? That idea is just bellowing opinions as usual, with obnoxious bullshit. Reasons that actually start war. 1. Religion 2. Invasive conquest (basically greed) 3. Cult like uprisings, and manipulation. 4. Ethnic differences, and fears. I help animals when many wouldn't. I've helped a dragonfly caught by a wave when it flew too low, to shore. I've helped a trapped mouse get free, and even tried to rehabilitate a bird that doggie got a hold of. Get the picture? Now get over your blasphemous, and ignorant scapegoating self. It's disgusting, and not worthy of a pittance of respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    I'm a hardcore meat eater, but am more gentle than most. Meat eating causes wars? That idea is just bellowing opinions as usual, with obnoxious bullshit. Reasons that actually start war. 1. Religion 2. Invasive conquest (basically greed) 3. Cult like uprisings, and manipulation. 4. Ethnic differences, and fears. I help animals when many wouldn't. I've helped a dragonfly caught by a wave when it flew too low, to shore. I've helped a trapped mouse get free, and even tried to rehabilitate a bird that doggie got a hold of. Get the picture? Now get over your blasphemous, and ignorant scapegoating self. It's disgusting, and not worthy of a pittance of respect.
    So YOU gonna stand on a soap box and tell me you are the EXPERT here?

    Hardcore bellowing obnoxious shit blasphemous ignorant disgusting EGO.

    Hitler's dog lived happily afterwards too.

    There is Low-class Sadism, and,
    There is High-class Sadism too.

    I only speak because I can. I explained it from many vantage points and a self-aggrandizing Ego would anoint the meek as their own minions as Expendables.

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    I have a similar theory. does anyone care ? eating meat reminds us that there is a beast seeking to devour. it is the difference between being the prey or the predator. it is a cursed earth thing. it is almost over. it is good. it's good. let me try again: sin entered the world and death. I think that man was intended to be vegan. there is coming a time when this kill or be killed age will end. until then we are in conflict and when we become like little harmless furry bunnie people, we will be devoured. eating meat is inherent to survival in this current cursed age. this is the age to come: http://biblehub.com/kjv/isaiah/11.htm. the "root of Jesse" is Yeshua Ha Meshiach, AKA The Lord Jesus Christ. when he assumes rightful dominion over creation, after destroying every world order of man; there will be peace and restoration of all things. I will be with The Lord when he returns to Earth to smite the Earth with the rod of his mouth. The Lord has promised that I will rule and reign with Him for one thousand years; not according t my goodness or self righteous, but by grace through faith generating faithfulness; because I believe Him. will you be with Him or will you be destroyed by Him ?
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    Even so, Come, Lord Jesus
    I do not participate in delusion count me out

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    Meat eating causes wars, illness, un-controllable lust, draught ---but this knowledge is above the head and shoulders of western civilisation's grand-parentage.

    The karmic-payback for enmass meat eating is documented generation after generation ---just analyse the last two centuries by counting and comparing pound-for-pound the mutual losses ---cadaver-to-cadaver.

    Such societies will incur enemies that may or may not seem befitting the "Good-guys" side.

    Vandal vs Romans perennially.

    In regards to "be like your father in Heaven" ---do you suppose that "fox-hunting" & factory farming & gentlemen-Farmers all occur in heaven?

    How does one Logically compute via,
    "By each according to his works",
    the cosmic "Price" accured to one-self [or to a mass of patrons],
    the "cost" of a beast's carcass for thanksgiving?

    How long does it take to tally-up mass karmic pay-back?


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    Mis-translated Bible terms infavor of meat eating?

    As a long-standing member of the Hare Krishna Movement, I have learnt by some of my Hindu Vaishnav scholars that certain Bible terms are mis-translated:

    Indeed, My ulterior motive is to get nations to turn swords to Plowshares ---this is done by ultimately having a "Change of Heart" as to the reality of fostering Flesh eating [meat in German is 'Fleisch']. Flesh eating begets violence and non-compassion and the illogic fantasy of obtaining peace in an enviroment of butcher-based society.

    Vegetarianism as a sublime means of eating, is borne of ordhodox yoga disiplines ---therefore the higher goal of "a-himsa" (No-violence) ergo, "shanti" (peace) can be achieved.

    Please review the Greek & hebrew terms, and kindly, verify or deny their veracity:

    I'd like to cut and paste the whole Bible text, but for here are the Chapter/Verse of mention of NONE-FLESH EATING:

    Old Testiment RE-CAP:

    gen 1:29 [vs. Gen 9:3 ~immediately after recovery from the flood].

    gen 9:4-5

    num 11:33

    Isaiah 1:11,15

    Isaiah 66.3

    Leviticus 3:17


    Regarding, "Thou shall not Kill" ---reference:

    The hebrew words are: 'Lo tirtzach' ---according to Dr Reuben Alcalay's 'Complete Hebrew/English Dictionary', 'tirtzach' refers to any kind of killing.

    Christ was vegetarian ---there are 19 Gospel referneces to 'meat' all have been mis-translated from the original Greek Bible text:


    Greek (3 of references) - English meaning:
    Broma (4) - 'food' Romans 14:15, 20-21; I Corinthians 8:8, 10:3
    Brosis (4) - 'the act of eating' Romans 14:17
    Brosimos (1) - 'that which may be eaten'
    Phago (3) - 'to eat' Luke 8:55
    Prosphagon (1) - 'anything to eat'
    Trophe (6) - 'nourishment' John 4:8, Acts 9:19, Acts 27:33-36
    and,
    Trapesa (?) - 'table' "...They set a table before him ..." Acts 16:34

    Thus, John 21:5 "Have ye any meat" ---is incorrect. it should have been translated:
    "Have ye 'anything to eat'"

    Regarding, "FISH" ---reference: The secret & mystical symbol/Password for "Christian" in Roman Prosecution Times, derived from the Greek word for fish, ICHTHUS ---forming the acronym: Iesous Christos Theou Uios Soter (Jesus Christ Son of God Saviour)

    New Testiment RE-CAP:

    Matt 3:4 ~(the word 'locusts' used here means Locust beans, aka, carob, aka, St John's bread)
    Luke 8:55 ~the word used here is 'phago' (to eat).
    Isaiah 7:14,15 ~prophets predict Jesus's diet: "... Butter & Honey shall he eat ..."
    Luke 24:41-43 ~Note the words used, Jesus was offered two things 'Fish and a honeycomb' "... and he took it . . ." indicates that he choose one of the two judging from Isaiah 7:15 [the word used here is 'brosimos' (eatable)].

    See the Offence for fleash eating:

    Greek word for FLESH is: 'kreas'
    I Corinthians 8:13

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    Can someone be brave enough to address these words ---for it is the next portal to world peace.

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    a learned person sees all living entities equally panditah sama-darsinah because he sees the same soul within the different varieties of bodies.

    'We want brotherhood, but what does it mean to be brothers? It means we have the same father.' Only when we recognize God as the supreme father can we have real brotherhood.

    Knowing God to be the supreme father, we can understand that if we deal with God's other children nicely, God will be pleased. But if we try to exploit and commit violence upon one another, how will the supreme father be pleased? And if God is not pleased, how can we expect peace and prosperity in the world?

    "Animals are also children of God, although they have less developed intelligence. They resemble human children, who also do not have developed intelligence, or developed speech. Nor can they defend themselves.

    But in a family the strong are meant to protect the weak. For a stronger older brother to torture or massacre a baby is a terrible crime. How upset and angry the father would be!

    So animals should be treated like our younger brothers or sisters, to be protected, not exploited or slaughtered so we can eat their flesh.
    SEDITION: incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    Alright, let us start with this:
    Paulie [from the Movie "Wise Guys"] warned Ray Liota [the actor] "You can't be using the stuff ---and selling it too".

    The Drug dealer is always advised not to abuse the drugs he pushing.

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    You see, it is all about the 'karma'.
    Specifically, 'stupid, innane (karmic-) payback'.

    A samurai walked a vails thickness away from death . . .
    A samurai loathes to think that death could catch him by surprise . . .
    A samurai avoids the old threat of "A fly flew into my eye just when I could have parried the assailant's death blow".

    A samurai avoids initiating all forms of future bad karma ---especially mundane, vapid karma funk ilks.

    Karma is a brewing pot of Dante's possibilities . . . with plenty of time to experiment with young souls.
    SEDITION: incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    I am the adherent of cow-protection. The cow [and her husband] are the embodiment of mother earth's Homocentric mercy.

    We humans think we aint biological bi-peds . . . but we think we are above beasts . . . but we think Man cannot aspire to immortality . . . but we can kill, gut, skin and roast quadra-peds to celebrate any given holiday moment . . . but we do nothing much else any more sublime than be pronounce poetic rhymes.

    Took away the milk so the the 'Farmer' can successfully pen the Calves in dark isolated cages along side autofeeders.

    Eat the calves' mother [and fathers] and sell the Gourmet Quality Veal meat ---for it's reknowned taste.

    As the sage of greed said, "There's one born everyday".
    SEDITION: incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    If life is great for at least ONE citisen of our world today ---it's due to their individual, indivisable personal "good-karma" ---the rest of the masses are subsistence workers.

    Karma reminder: Karma re-actions are temporary and fleeting
    ---but exceedingly fine.

    "Good Karma is a terrible thing to waste"
    SEDITION: incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority.


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