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    Killing animals and meat eating is a practice of Asur.

    Thousands of Mleccha cults like islam and christianity who followed anti-Vedic way of life came and got diminished with each passing 1000’s of years, the learnings of Hindu texts re-emerged time to time so that Humans know the real purpose of their existence and they do not indulge in anti-Vedic activities which include killing animals for meat eating.

    There is continous fight of Devta and Asur within our body and mind.

    Teachings of Hindu texts is meant for all. Wherever discussion about meat is done, it is to inform meat-eaters that they should abstain meat eating as it is not healthy for mind, body and soul.

    Hindu Texts on Vegetarianism

    What Bhagavad Gita (Words of Bhagwan Himself) Teaches on Vegetarianism

    “The devotees of the Bhagwan are released from all kinds of sins because they eat food which is offered first for Yagna. Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin.” (Bhagavad Gita.3.13)

    “If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it. O son of Kunti, all that you do, all that you eat, all that you offer and give away, as well as all austerities that you may perform, should be done as an offering unto Me. In this way you will be freed from all reactions to good and evil deeds, and by this principle of renunciation you will be liberated and come to Me.” (Bhagavad Gita 9.26-28)

    “Even food of which all partake is of three kinds, according to the three modes of material nature. The same is true of Yagnas, austerities and charity. Listen, and I shall tell you of the distinctions of these. Foods in the mode of goodness increase the duration of life, purify one’s existence and give strength, health, happiness and satisfaction. Such nourishing foods are sweet, juicy, fattening and palatable. Foods that are too bitter, too sour, salty, pungent, dry, and hot, are liked by people in the mode of passion. Such foods cause pain, distress, and disease. Food cooked more than three hours before being eaten, which is tasteless, stale, putrid, decomposed and unclean, is food liked by people in the mode of ignorance.” (Bhagavad Gita 17.7-10)

    “The humble sage, by virtue of true knowledge, sees with equal vision a learned and gentle brahmana, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [chandaal].” (Bhagavad Gita 5.18)

    “Ahimsa or nonviolence is one of the transcendental qualities that belong to godly men endowed with divine nature.” (Bhagavad Gita 16.2-3)

    Manu Samhita on Vegetarianism and Abstaining Meat

    “The sinful reaction for animal slaughter is received by six kinds of participants, which include, (1) the killer of the animal, (2) one who advocates or promotes meat-eating, (3) one who transports the meat, (4) one who handles or packages the meat, (5) one who prepares or cooks the meat, and (6) one who eats it.” (Manu-samhita)

    “Meat can never be obtained without injury to living creatures, and injury to sentient beings is detrimental to the attainment of heavenly bliss; let him therefore shun the use of meat. Having well considered the disgusting origin of flesh and the cruelty of fettering and slaying corporeal beings, let him entirely abstain from eating flesh.” (Manu-samhita 5.48-49)

    “He who permits the slaughter of an animal, he who cuts it up, he who kills it, he who buys or sells meat, he who cooks it, he who serves it up, and he who eats it, must all be considered as the slayers of the animal. There is no greater sinner than that man who though not worshiping the gods or the ancestors, seeks to increase the bulk of his own flesh by the flesh of other beings.” (Manu-samhita 5.51-52)

    “If he has a strong desire (for meat) he may make an animal of clarified butter or one of flour (and eat that); but let him never seek to destroy an animal without a (lawful) reason. As many hairs as the slain beast has, so often indeed will he who killed it without a (lawful) reason suffer a violent death in future births.” (Manu-samhita 5.37-38)

    “He who injures harmless creatures from a wish to give himself pleasure, never finds happiness in this life or the next.” (Manu-samhita 5.45)

    “By subsisting on pure fruits and roots, and by eating food fit for ascetics in the forest, one does not gain so great a reward as by entirely avoiding the use of flesh.” (Manu-samhita 5.54-55)

    “He who does not seek to cause the sufferings of bonds and death to living creatures, (but) desires the good of all (beings), obtains endless bliss. He who does not injure any (creature) attains without an effort what he thinks of, what he undertakes, and what he fixes his mind on.” (Manu-samhita 5.46-47)

    “By not killing any living being, one becomes fit for salvation.” (Manu-samhita 6.60)

    Rig Veda on Vegetarian diet

    “One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal, and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does not desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head.” (Rig-veda 10.87.16)

    “The cow gives milk each year, O Man-regarder let not the Yātudhāna ever taste it.
    If one would glut him with the biesting, Agni, pierce with thy flame his vitals as he meets thee.

    Let the fiends drink the poison of the cattle; may Aditi cast off the evildoers.
    May the God Savitar give them up to ruin, and be their share of plants and herbs denied them.

    Agni, from days of old thou slayest demons never shall Rakshas in fight o’ercome thee.
    Burn up the foolish ones, the flesh-devourers let none of them escape thine heavenly arrow.” (Rig Veda 10.87.17-19)

    Teachings of Bhagawat Puran, Garga Samhita and Tirukkural on Embracing Vegetarianism

    “Those who are ignorant of real dharma and, though wicked and haughty, account themselves virtuous, kill animals without any feeling of remorse or fear of punishment. Further, in their next lives, such sinful persons will be eaten by the same creatures they have killed in this world.” (Bhagavat Puran 11.5.14)

    The saar of this chapter of Garga Samhita is selfless bhakti and offering to Bhagwan thereby remaining Vegetarian: 1) Aupacharika is external worship such as offering incense and waving ghee lamps, fanning etc. 2) Samsparsika is tactual service such as garlanding, applying ungents, smearing sandalwood paste, etc. 3) Abhyaaharika is offering of vegetarian food such as milk products, fruits and vegetables. After performing puja, bhakt can intake vegetarian foods. Garga Samhita (Canto 10, Chapter 61, Verses 23, 24, 25, 26 1)

    Based on Vedic teachings, “How can he practice true compassion who eats the flesh of an animal to fatten his own flesh?” (Tirukkural)

    “If the world did not purchase and consume meat, no one would slaughter and offer meat for sale. When a man realizes that meat is the butchered flesh of another creature, he will abstain from eating it.” (Tirukkural)

    Message of Mahabharat on Practicing Vegetarianism

    Even today, smart Indians practice this method of learning wherein discussion with elders help them to gain knowledge about major aspects of life. It is not necessary that an alcoholic need to be educated about ill-effects of alcoholism, it is important for the teetotaler also to know about it so that he can spread the knowledge with others. The shortest way to control an urge to eating meat, is to stop visiting places where meat is served, stop sitting beside friends on lunch/dinner who eat meat, slowly and gradually it will help you in abstaining it.

    There is beautiful conversation between Bhisma and Yudhishthira on the habit of meat-eating (adharmic, asurpana) and abstaining from it. The discourse provide insights on the ill-effects of meat-eating for the people and society.

    Bhisma said to Yudhisthira what Rishis explained on vegetarianism “The highly wise seven celestial Rishis, the Valakshillyas, and those Rishis who drink the rays of the sun, all speak highly of abstention from meat. The self-created Manu has said that the man who does not eat meat, or who does not kill living creatures, or who does not cause them to be killed, is a friend of all creatures. Such a man is incapable of being oppressed by any creature. He enjoys the confidence of all living beings. He always enjoys the praise of the pious. The virtuous Narada has said that that man who wishes to multiply his own flesh by eating the flesh of other creatures meets with disaster.” (Mahabharata, Anu. 115.9-12)

    “That man, who having eaten meat, gives it up afterwards wins merit by such a deed that is so great that a study of all the Vedas or a performance, O Bharata, of all the Yagnas [Vedic rituals], cannot give its like.” (Mahabharata, Anu.115.16)

    “That learned person who gives to all living creatures the gift of complete assurance is forsooth regarded as the giver of lifebreaths in this world.” (Mahabharata, Anu.115.18)

    “Men gifted with intelligence and purified souls should always treat others as they themselves wish to be treated. It is seen that even those men who are endued with learning and who seek to acquire the greatest good in the shape of liberation, are not free of the fear of death.” (Mahabharata, Anu.115.20)

    “What necessity be said of those innocent and healthy creatures gifted with love of life, when they are sought to be killed by sinful wretches living by slaughter? Therefore, O King, know that the discarding of meat is the highest refuge of dharma, of the celestial region, and of happiness. Abstention of injury [to non-sinners] is the highest dharma. It is, again, the highest penance. It is also the highest truth from which all duty emanates.” (Mahabharata, Anu.115.21-23)

    “Flesh cannot be had from grass or wood or stone. Unless a living creature is killed it cannot be procured. Hence is the fault of eating flesh. The celestials who live upon Svaha, Svadha, and nectar, are given to truth and sincerity. Those persons, however, who are for satisfying the sensation of taste, should be known as Rakshasas [flesh-eating demons] pervaded by the quality of Darkness.” (Mahabharata, Anu.115.24-25)

    “If there were nobody who ate flesh, then there would be nobody to slay living creatures. The man who slays living creatures kills them for the sake of the person who eats flesh. If flesh were not considered as food, there would then be no destruction of living creatures. It is for the sake of the eater that the destruction of living entities is carried on in the world. Since, O you of great splendor, the period of life is shortened by persons who kill living creatures or cause them to be killed, it is clear that the person who seeks his own good should give up meat altogether. Those dreadful persons who are engaged in the destruction of living beings never find protectors when they are in need. Such persons should always be molested and punished even as beast of prey.” (Mahabharata, Anu.115.29-32)

    “The sins generated by violence curtail the life of the perpetrator. Therefore, even those who are anxious for their own welfare should abstain from meat-eating.” (Mahabharata, Anu.115.33)

    “That man who seeks to multiply his own flesh by (eating) the flesh of others has to live in this world in great anxiety, and after death has to take birth in indifferent races and families (anti-Vedic cults). High Rishis given to the observance of vows and self-control have said that abstention from meat is worthy of praise, productive of fame and Heaven, and a great satisfaction itself. This I heard formerly, O son of Kunti, from Markandeya when that Rishi discoursed on the sins of eating flesh.” (Mahabharata, Anu.115.34-36)

    “He who purchases flesh, kills living creatures through his money. He who eats flesh, kills living beings through his eating. He who binds or seizes and actually kills living creatures is the slaughterer. These are the three sorts of slaughter through each of these acts. He who does not himself eat flesh but approves of an act of slaughter, becomes stained with the sin of slaughter.” (Mahabharata, Anu.115.38-39)

    “The purchaser of flesh performs violence by his wealth; he who eats flesh does so by enjoying its taste; the killer does violence by actually tying and killing the animal. Thus, there are three forms of killing. He who brings flesh or sends for it, he who cuts off the limbs of an animal, and he who purchases, sells, or cooks flesh and eats it – all these are to be considered meat-eaters.” (Mahabharata, Anu.115.40)

    These verses is again in the Anushasana Parva section where there is a conversation between Yudhisthira and Grandfather Bhishma about the merits of abstaining from meat eating and the demerits and consequences for doing so. It is quite revealing. Some quotes are: “That wretched man who kills living creatures for the sake of those who would eat them commits great sin. The eater’s sin is not as great. That wretched man who, even knowing the path of dharmic rites and yagnas as laid down in the Vedas, would kill a living creature from a desire to eats its flesh, will certainly go to hell. That man who having eaten flesh abstains from it afterwards acquires great merit on account of such abstention from sin. He who desires to augment his own flesh by eating the flesh of other creatures, lives in misery in whatever species he may take his [next] birth. He who arranges for obtaining flesh, he who approves of those arrangements, he who kills, he who buys or sells, he who cooks, and he who eats it, [acquire the sin of those who] are all considered as eaters of flesh. [Therefore] that man who wishes to avoid disaster should abstain from the meat of every living creature.” (Mahabharata, Anu.115.44-48)

    “Listen to me, O king of kings, as I tell you this, O sinless one, there is absolute happiness in abstaining from meat, O king. He who practices severe austerities for a century, and he who abstains from meat, are both equally meritorious. This is my opinion. (Mahabharata, Anu.115.52-53)

    Yudhisthira said “Alas, those cruel men who, not caring for various other sorts of food, want only flesh, are really like Asuras/Rakshasas [meat-eating demons].” (Mahabharata, Anu.116.1)

    Bhishma said “That man who wishes to increase his own flesh by the meat of another living creature is such that there is none meaner and more cruel than him. In this world there is nothing that is dearer to a creature than his life. Hence, one should show mercy to the lives of others as he does to his own life. Forsooth, O son, flesh has its origin in the vital seed. There is great sin attached to its eating, as, indeed, there is merit in abstaining from it.” (Mahabharata, Anu.116.11-13)

    “There is nothing, O delighter of the Kurus, that is equal in point of merit, either in this world or in the next, to the practice of mercy to all living creatures.” (Mahabharata, Anu.116.19)

    “Hence a person of purified soul should be merciful to all living creatures. That man, O king, who abstains from every kind of meat from his birth forsooth, acquires a large space in the celestial region. They who eat the flesh of animals who are desirous of life, are themselves [later] eaten by the animals they eat. This is my opinion. Since he has eaten me, I shall eat him in return. This, O Bharata, forms the character as Mamsah [meaning flesh of the natural product synonym to even some fruits] of Mamsah [me he, or “me he” will eat for having eaten him]. The destroyer is always slain. After him the eater meets with the same fate. (Mahabharata, Anu.116.32-35)

    “He who acts with hostility towards another becomes victim of similar deeds done by that other. Whatever acts one does in whatever bodies, he has to suffer the consequences thereof in those bodies. (Mahabharata, Anu.116.36-37)

    “Abstention from cruelty (to innocents) is the highest dharma. Abstention from cruelty is the greatest self-restraint. Abstention from cruelty is the highest gift. Abstention from cruelty is the highest penance. Abstention from cruelty is the highest sacrifice. Abstention from cruelty is the highest power. Abstention from cruelty is the greatest friend. Abstention from cruelty is the greatest happiness.” (Mahabharata, Anu.116.38-39)

    “Gifts made in all Yagnas, ablutions performed in all sacred water, and the merit which one acquires from making all kinds of gifts mentioned in the scriptures, all these do not equal in merit abstention from cruelty.” (Mahabharata, Anu.116.40)

    Bhism said to Yudhishthir “The merit that is acquired by a person by abstaining from meat, we have heard, is superior to that of one who makes presents of gold, of kine, and of land. There is not the slightest doubt that a person by eating meat goes to Hell.”

    What Vedas and Other Hindu Commentaries Teaches on Abstaining Meat

    Based on Vedic teachings, Mahaparinirvana Sutra states, “The eating of meat extinguishes the seed of great compassion.”

    “Cow killers are condemned to rot in hellish life for as many thousands of years as there are hairs on the body of the cow.” Sri Caitanya-caritamrita (Adi-lila, Chapter 17, verse 166)

    “Anaagaaohtyaa vaO BaImaa kRkshtyao maa naao gaamaSvaM paurYaM vaQaI”

    “It is definitely a great sin to kill innocents. Do not kill our cows, horses and people.”

    meaning

    Oh violent man
    It is the most heinous sin
    To kill the innocent creatures,
    Kill not our cows
    Our horses and our men.
    (Atharva Veda 10.1.29)

    “O teeth! You eat rice, you eat barley, you eat gram and you eat sesame. These cereals are specifically meant for you. Do not kill those who are capable of being fathers and mothers.” Atharvaveda 6.140.2

    “May all bipeds (men) and quadrupeds (animals) gain strength and nourishment.” Yajurveda 11.83

    On loving all creatures and not killing them. “Those who see all beings as souls do not feel infatuation or anguish at their sight, for they experience oneness with them”. Yajurveda 40.7

    Hinduism fully advocates vegetarianism and love for nature. Vegetarianism is the pivot round which Vedic philosophy revolves. According to Vedas, flesh-eating is strictly prohibited. It is not only unnatural food, but also detrimental to body and soul.

    Mlecchas who want to continue meat eating distort meanings of Hindu text references to justify their meat eating habits. now its time to give jaw-breaking punches to the false claims made by some leftist and muslim academicians.

    https://haribhakt.com/the-vedic-trut...odern-science/

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    Those in the Vitamin industry are sure to provide tracts for distribution.

    But sincerely I confide to you here that Meat Eaters [imo the Vegan movement is a fad that will later find its own level in time] cannot become vegetarian [regular lacto-vegetarian].

    It can only happen if superior food stuff is obtainable. The meat eaters are 99% un-able to change to vegetarianism due to life-long lethargy. Ironically many folks are forced by national health standards' insurance liability laws aka your doctor told you you "must become vegetarian"! ---but they simply put it thus: Cut out this and this and that from your diet and then they say pay as you leave.
    Has anyone ever suggested to you, that you might want to seek professional help; because you might want to consider it.
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    OPRAH RAVES ABOUT VEGANISM

    Nadia Murray-Ragg
    Social Media Coordinator and Freelance Journalist | Wellington, New Zealand | Contactable via nadia@livekindly.co
    Jan 9, 2018

    Oprah Winfrey’s acceptance speech at 2018’s Golden Globe awards has taken the world by storm, in the most uplifting way possible. With her articulate words on hot-topic issues that truly matter and the now-famous speech that represents so much compassion and kindness towards others – it seems only natural that this industry-changing, honest and inspiring celeb would be willing to align her values with actions.
    In light of this, we’re here to talk about Oprah’s previous efforts as an empathetic eater, her advocacy for the vegan lifestyle and why Oprah would make one of the greatest vegans to date.

    SHE STRONGLY BELIEVES ANIMAL CRUELTY IS WRONG

    Oprah is well-supported by her strong values against animal cruelty. As animal agriculture is full of cruelty and death – replacing her favorite foods with vegan alternatives should be an easy move for Oprah. Whether you choose to educate yourself on the matter or not, the evidence is widespread and increasingly hard to turn a blind eye to. Books,documentaries, TV series, articles, news features and many high-profile names are speaking out and explaining their reason for choosing vegan – there’s no shortage of educational resources and information available. Oprah too has spoken about cruelty to animals and the benefits of a vegan lifestyle, but she is not yet vegan herself.
    Don’t worry Oprah, it’s never too late!

    During 1996, the year the world freaked out over the mad cow disease outbreak, Oprah invited Howard Lyman, a cattle rancher turned vegan, onto her show to discuss how cow organs are turned into food for other cattle, called “rendering”.Oprah was so moved by the ex-ranchers account, this “stopped [her] cold from eating another hamburger”. Half a month after the episode aired, US beef sales dropped to their lowest in 10 years, a group of Texas cattle ranchers filed a lawsuit against Oprah for $10.3 million – the jury ruled in her favor. Undeterred, the talk show host then stated: “Free speech not only lives, it rocks, I’m still off hamburgers”.
    So Oprah, why stop at hamburgers? Giving up all other meat and animal products will be much less of a jump now, plus – your favorite foods can easily be swapped for a vegan alternative.

    SHE’S GOT A HUGE FOLLOWING AND PLATFORM

    Can you imagine how many people would try veganism, inspired by her example? Oprah is simply a household name, and not just for Americans. All across the globe, Oprah and her whirlwind career have touched hearts, lives and entertained the world. With such as reputable, well-known name and hundreds of millions of collective social media followers – joining the vegan movement now would sure be gracing headlines everywhere. Considering the world is at such a pivotal time and has never been easier to eat plant-based foods – Oprah surely wouldn’t be the only one to make a lifestyle change.

    HER AND 100’S OF STAFFERS DID A SUCCESSFUL 21-DAY VEGAN CHALLENGE


    Oprah and her 378 staffers undertook a 21-day vegan challenge way back in 2008, their progress featured on her television show. During the challenge, Oprah hosted vegan author Kathy Freston and vegan chef Tal Ronnen onto her show. Freston showed Oprah how to incorporate an assortment of delicious new vegan foods into her diet. When the challenge ended, Oprah wrote in an essay about what she knows for sure after a “vegan cleanse”. Her essay states: “I learned a lot about how animals are treated and mistreated before they get to our tables. It is appalling and beneath our humanity to allow the torture of animals for the sake of our gluttony. We’ve neglected basic human decency on such a large scale, and it really does bleed over into every other aspect of life.”
    Oprah, you’ve done it before, are you willing to give the lifestyle another go?

    SHE URGES HER FOLLOWERS TO JOIN HER PLEDGE TO EAT MEATLESS MONDAYS


    Oprah’s support for the “Meatless Monday” movement began in 2009, the concept is designed to reduce the quantity of meat consumers are eating and encourage people to see how easy vegetarian eating can be. It is estimated if everybody in America ate meatless at least one day per week, that would be the equivalent of taking 20 million midsize sedans off the road. In 2016, after interviewing Wayne Pacelle from The Humane Society on her show “SuperSoul Sunday”, Oprah hopped on Twitter and said “.@waynepacelle That I can do. Have ‘Meatless’ Mondays! Who will join me? #SuperSoulSunday”
    Oprah, why not extend that pledge and commit to enjoying regular plant-based meals?

    There are arguably few stamps of approval in this world more powerful than Oprah’s, this woman knows quality and what people want. Tal Ronnen, a vegan chef and restaurant owner, received Oprah’s blessing as “the best vegan chef in America,” which of course, is no accolade to be taken lightly. Fellow talk show host Ellen Degeneres also approves of Ronnen, after cooking with him on her show – she employed him as the chef at her wedding to Portia de Rossi.
    Oprah, you say you love vegan food already – so why not eat the plant-based foods you love every day?

    Oprah’s weight-loss efforts have been well publicized over the years, including her famously wheeling a wagon with 67lbs of fat on it during an episode of her show – for the audience to see exactly how much she lost. However, a whole-foods plant-based diet is known for being optimal for human health – if Oprah wants to stop short-term dieting, maintain a healthy weight and nourish her body, vegan diets have no cholesterol and are generally lower in calories than diets heavy with animal products.
    Oprah, the world wants you around for a long time – a vegan diet can help you stay healthy and prolong your lifespan.

    https://www.livekindly.co/oprah-rave...vegan-herself/

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    dude. it is an agreeance fact that meat eating beast flesh is a symptom of failed man [alpha/ king of the hill stupid]. you, me, the damned UN, any and or all gov.s of failed man cannot legislate it away. it is almost over. you do what you think is right. Jesus will receive you if you call upon His name. don't worry. do not sweat it. http://biblehub.com/kjv/acts/2.htm. I could be banned from jpp for being the bible spammer. you better appreciate the danger I am in and peril [not] for going out of the way to try and yank your ass out of the fire.
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    Buddhist vegetarianism

    The Mahayana schools generally recommend a vegetarian diet; according to some sutras the Buddha
    himself insisted that his followers should not eat the flesh of any sentient being.[1] Monks of the
    Mahayana traditions that follow the Brahma Net Sutra are forbidden by their vows from eating flesh of any kind.

    The earliest surviving written accounts of Buddhism are the Edicts of Asoka written by King Asoka,
    a well-known Buddhist king who propagated Buddhism throughout Asia and is honored by both
    Theravada and Mahayana schools of Buddhism. The authority of the Edicts of Asoka as a historical
    record is suggested by the mention of numerous topics omitted as well as corroboration of numerous
    accounts found in the Theravada and Mahayana Tripitakas written down centuries later. [2] Asoka
    Rock Edict 1 dated to c. 257 BCE mentions the prohibition of animal sacrifices in Asoka’s Maurya Empire
    as well as his commitment to vegetarianism; however, whether the Sangha was vegetarian in part or in
    whole is unclear from these edicts. However, Asoka’s personal commitment to and advocating of vegetarianism
    suggests Early Buddhism (at the very least for the layperson) most likely already had a vegetarian
    tradition (the details are of what that entailed besides not killing animals were not mentioned and therefore is unknown.)


    In China, Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan and their respective diaspora communities monks and nuns are expected
    to abstain from meat and, traditionally, eggs and dairy, in addition to the fetid vegetables – traditionally garlic,
    Allium chinense, asafoetida, shallot, and Allium victorialis (victory onion or mountain leek), although in modern times
    this rule is often interpreted to include other vegetables of the onion genus, as well as coriander – this is called
    pure vegetarianism (純素, chúnsù). Pure Vegetarianism is Indic in origin and is still practiced in India by some
    adherents of Dharmic religions such as Jainism and in the case of Hinduism, lacto-vegetarianism with the
    additional abstaintion of pungent or fetid vegetables. A minority of Buddhist lay believers are year-long vegetarians
    in the monastic way. Many lay followers followed monastic style vegetarianism on Lunar New Year's Eve,
    Saints days and ancestral feast days as well as the 1st and 15th day of the lunar calendar. Some lay followers
    also followed monastic style vegetarianism on the six-day,ten-day, Guan-yin (Avalokitesvara) vegetarian,
    etc., set lunar calendar schedule. Other Buddhist lay-followers also follow less stringent forms of vegetarianism.
    Most Buddhist lay-followers however are not vegetarians. Some Zhaijiao lay adherents also do not eat any meat.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_vegetarianism

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    The origin of Shaolin Kung Fu is generally credited to an Indian monk named Tat Moh,
    who is also sometimes known as Boddhidharma, a 28th-generation disciple of
    Siddhartha Gautama, the historical Buddha.

    Bodhidharma was a Buddhist monk who lived during the 5th or 6th century. ... According to Chinese legend,
    he also began the physical training of the monks of Shaolin Monastery that led to the creation of Shaolin kungfu.
    In Japan, he is known as Daruma.

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    What world Scriptures include recipes?

    I only know of recipes as commonplace in the Vedic scriptures of India [which btw includes many other misc formulas and invocations also].
    I found this online :
    http://cookingwiththebible.com/meals.aspx#GR3410-2139

    But this is not recipes ---its recipes named after the Bible’s mentioning of food eaten by different folks in the New & Old Testiment.
    At best these are menu suggestions.
    I mean a real old-fashion recipe.

    The Hindu use of food in Temple operations is central to Hinduism so I know the value of this topic.

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    So I looked this up:
    Saying Grace ---what is it’s origin?

    A grace is a short prayer or thankful phrase said before or after eating.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_(prayer)

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    I found this comment online:
    Grace before meals is a Jewish tradition that was in some respects followed by Jesus and also Paul, but is not technically 'commanded' in a legal sense from scripture.

    As far as the overall origin of 'grace before meals' I would say it was established in all the ancient sacrifices which included eating portions of the sacrifice. Very early under the Levitical ceremonies food was associated with religious significance. It is no wonder then that a tradition around food has always accompanied various forms of Judaism and Christianity.

    https://christianity.stackexchange.....-praying-befor

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    Almost 240 shootings took place at U.S. schools during the 2015-16 year,
    according to figures published in April by the Department of Education.
    Think about that number: 240.
    That’s tens of thousands of American children exposed to mortal danger.

    In 2016, there were a total of 437 referrals for terroristic threats.
    That number went up slightly to 473 in 2017.
    But in 2018, the number of referrals made over five months was 1,212, the report said.


    254 YEARS OF HISTORY. 473 SCHOOL SHOOTINGS. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? WHAT CAN BE DONE?

    "1940's: 8

    1950's: 17

    1960's: 18

    1970's: 30

    1980's: 39

    1990's: 62

    2000's: 63

    2010's: 145 - as of February 20, 2018. We are 7 years and change into this decade and we've already doubled the amount of school-based shootings according to the list even if you take out some of them for "not qualifying".

    ​This represents a grand total of 473 school shootings and as you can see, the frequency is increasing dramatically. Very dramatically.

    In 254 years of our history, we haven't learned one thing, not one thing about keeping our kids safe in school.

    We keep wringing our hands, praying for families and the nation to heal and "we gotta get the guns" which, of course, is never going to happen, although, clearly, some changes need to be made.

    What is going on that has lead to this? There are so many obvious factors including that we've doubled our population since 1953 and the divisiveness driven by forces both internal and external to our country are creating a level of mental illness and rage not seen before. You know the factors...you see them on the news and hear about them in talk radio every day."


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    Active-shooter drills are scaring children away from school
    By New York Post Video September 6, 2018

    These drills typically involve turning off the lights, locking the classroom doors, pulling down all the window shades and having the children group together in a corner or even a closet. This is all to prevent a potential shooter not just from entering the room, but even being able to see if children are present.

    According to the National Center for Education Statistics, over 90 percent of public schools practiced lockdown drills during the 2015-2016 school year.

    Obviously, no one is happy about students preparing to deal with active shooters ...
    https://nypost.com/2018/09/06/active...y-from-school/

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    Genesis 9:4-5 King James Version (KJV)

    4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

    5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.


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    Isaiah 1:11 King James Version (KJV)

    11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. ...

    15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

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    Isaiah 66:3 King James Version (KJV)

    3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    Genesis 9:4-5 King James Version (KJV)

    4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

    5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.


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    Isaiah 1:11 King James Version (KJV)

    11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. ...

    15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

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    Isaiah 66:3 King James Version (KJV)

    3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
    Explain Peter's dream in Acts that all things are Kosher!
    Or Jesus feeding the multitudes with bread and fish
    AM I, I AM's,AM I.
    What day is Michaelmas on?

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    Ya'll have had a 5000 year long record. The 1900s started off with upton sinclair's book The Jungle and ended with Schlosser's book Fast Food Nation

    Quote Originally Posted by Anne and Margot View Post
    Explain Peter's dream in Acts that all things are Kosher!
    Or Jesus feeding the multitudes with bread and fish
    Who is feeding all of them right now? God supplies food to every beast highest to lowest.

    "All things are One" = Hindu Advaita philosophy ---so Peter's good on that accounting.

    Jesus didn't eat the fish ... Jesus was offered fish and a honeycomb, but only took one, he took the honey.
    ---this also was as John the Baptist did [and prophesied Isha would], his meat was the locust bean and wild honey.

    Locust bean referring to St John's Bread aka Carob seeds. [which I googled lately to find that the mid-east is full of]

    Earilier in this thread I cover the Greek words Broma, Brosis, Phago, Brosimos, Trophe,
    Prosphagon ---non literally mean meat--- but refer to "Food" and the act of eating.

    CHALLENGE:

    John 21:5 "Have ye any meat?" is incorrect. It is really "Have ye anything to eat?"


    Do you expect that in the Kingdom of God, that in His abode, there is killing, cooking and eating of All sorts of God's Creatures?

    Do you expect that in the Kingdom of God, meat is served as a transcendent pastime?

    It says "Be like your father in Heaven" ---do you believe that there are creatures in heaven that exist so as to be eaten?
    And this is one of the things that are done in a place that exists eternally beyond this material cosmos?
    Last edited by bhaktajan; 10-27-2018 at 11:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Threedee View Post
    There are pulled pork sandwiches in heaven. There are also hamburgers, wings, and chicken tenders.
    They will need Cuban sandwiches, flat iron steaks, and Memphis style ribs. The Indian sounding hater that started this, can have tofurky, and drink their sacred cow pee.

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    The universe is merely the random confluence of protons, neutrons, and electrons in the vacuum of space.

    Even as a meat eater, I concur that meat eating is repugnant as a moral consideration.

    The universe is a swirl of magnificent, repugnant, and indifferent truths occurring randomly,

    because whatever the source of the protons, neutrons, electrons, and the vacuum within which they exist,

    be it simple eternity or something else like a creator,

    exerts absolutely no control over their random confluence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    The universe is merely ....
    The originating fountainhead wellspring [of all permutations of particles in a vacuum too] but all things are in their quintessence are witnessed by the presence of the "PERSONA"

    I have posted repeatedly this concept...before and/or after one accepts God as existing ---it's still "PERSONA" as the quintessence of the definition of GOD.

    God is the originating fountainhead wellspring of "PERSONA"

    God is "PERSONA" ... later came plenary energetic expansions/expressions in multitudes of variety ie: protons, neutrons, and electrons, duality, elementals, in many stratums.


    God is original "MR. PERSONA"

    "MR. PERSONA" is not like all the Mr Persons that came and went before.

    GOD as "PERSONA" is due to PERSONA being itself a perfect self-manifestation. The form of the first original Persona would have been where everything was perfect and harmonious and endearingly idyllic and free and fearless and enlightened and at one...this is what the first original Persona would be.

    The first original Persona is what came long before in the beginning there was the word.

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