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    There is no such thing is altruism in politics. No such thing as idealism or morality. These things have never been a part of our system. Stop scratching your heads over it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    well they had years to perfect their act....this is the same bunch that periodically comes out of the woodwork like before the election and then disappears
    You really think that? You think the women who break down talking about it are great thespians or something?

    I'm not sure how anyone can still disbelieve them, given Trump's comments, his proven lies about women, his general misogyny, et al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post

    They're talking about your poll right now (still on MSNBC). Propaganda works. Repetition works.
    what poll are you referring to?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rad Dude View Post
    what poll are you referring to?
    The one on the thread you blocked me out of - re: believing in the deep state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourbon View Post
    Obama had to prove where he was born ... so ....
    no he didn't. no one ever took that seriously. he probably should never have fed the trolls. Again, proof of what I am saying in this thread. the rabble is unimportant. their gossip rags, non issue. When you ascend to power, it would be the most hilarious and foolish thing to willlingly give it up out of some misguided sense of morality. The stage is too big, to important, and whatever sins one has committed in the past are defacto forgiven, as their affect on the scales is trivial, so much so it might as well be non existent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rad Dude View Post
    There is no such thing is altruism in politics. No such thing as idealism or morality. These things have never been a part of our system. Stop scratching your heads over it.
    Nah - we should strive for better. Amoral leadership can have ramifications that you fail to consider - or just refuse to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    The one on the thread you blocked me out of - re: believing in the deep state.
    oh right on.

    There isn't any propaganda about it. it's obvious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Nah - we should strive for better. Amoral leadership can have ramifications that you fail to consider - or just refuse to consider.
    you are a fool playing a fools game. You will continue to be exploited into perpetuity. A natural born sucker.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    They just showed them again on MSNBC; I think they're all credible. The stories have some common threads, and the accusers all have a level of sincerity and emotion that is completely authentic.

    Given Trump's own comments about women and complete lack of credibility, they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

    I also believe the Trump accusers, all of them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rad Dude View Post
    why would he? he has zero to gain. people live for their own self interest, not what christefan thinks on the internet. him admitting it or throwing his hands up in a mea culpa isn't going to get your forgiveness anytime soon. So why should he?
    Because denying it in the face of evidence would make him look like an even bigger pathological liar than he already is. He can't do anything for me but what about his supporters, how much lying will they excuse before it's too much?


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    there has never in the history of mankind existed such a thing as "moral leadership"

    it doens't exist. humans naturally organize themselves into hierarchy. Lemmings need to be bossed around, structure needs to exist. That's it. Morality has nothing to do with it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rad Dude View Post
    you are a fool playing a fools game. You will continue to be exploited into perpetuity. A natural born sucker.
    Trump's voters are the ones buying the con - and it is a con. Not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Because denying it in the face of evidence would make him look like an even bigger pathological liar than he already is. He can't do anything for me but what about his supporters, how much lying will they excuse before it's too much?
    his supporters will believe him. And they don't care about the hoes. Even if they started to believe, they wouldn't care, because as I stated above, the futue of america is way more important. The "issue" of these women don't even register. They are 100% unimportant.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourbon View Post
    Trump would probably melt down a Lie Detector.
    I'd like to see him tested, just for kicks. The down side is that sociopaths pass those tests because they don't get an attack of conscience with a rise in blood pressure over the questioning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    Trump's voters are the ones buying the con - and it is a con. Not me.
    You are buying a far larger con. The myth of altruism in politics, the myth of public morality. Trump supporters may deny the truth of these woman, but only because they are woken to a far greater truth, the only way to get things done is through sheer, raw power, and wavering from that is a fools errand.


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