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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    This definitely seems true in my husband's family. Of the six kids and two parents, he has the highest level of education, and according to his mom was the "smartest" of all the kids. They're all conservative; he is apolitical-leaning-left. He's also the only one to move to a large city after finishing university; the rest still live in rural regions.
    Your post made me think how many times as a Republican I've been called greedy and heard democrats say they aren't. But why do people go to big cities? This is where the opportunity is. This is where you can make money. How many people have you heard with big ambitions say they are going to rural areas? I haven't heard many. Would you consider your in laws greedy for staying where they have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Your post made me think how many times as a Republican I've been called greedy and heard democrats say they aren't. But why do people go to big cities? This is where the opportunity is. This is where you can make money. How many people have you heard with big ambitions say they are going to rural areas? I haven't heard many. Would you consider your in laws greedy for staying where they have?
    No, I don't think they're greedy. I'm not sure why anyone would correlate the desire for a better income with greed, at least as far as middle-class ppl go which all of us are. My husband has a master's and worked in IT his entire career; not many jobs at all in rural Illinois for that. One of his sisters got her BS in mgmt about five years ago. She lives near Springfield IL (the capitol) because she worked for IDOT. She retired last year. The others have associates degrees and work at blue collar type jobs -- truck driver, CAD, surveyor, clerical for a non-profit. They just never had an interest in moving away from their rural roots, churches, etc. Interestingly, one sister-in-law (well, they got divorced but she's still family) has a BS in biology/botany, but she never did anything in that field; she's a dept. manager at Walmart. Despite the science background, she believes that the Biblical version of creation is true and that the Earth is only 6K years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    No, I don't think they're greedy. I'm not sure why anyone would correlate the desire for a better income with greed, at least as far as middle-class ppl go which all of us are. My husband has a master's and worked in IT his entire career; not many jobs at all in rural Illinois for that. One of his sisters got her BS in mgmt about five years ago. She lives near Springfield IL (the capitol) because she worked for IDOT. She retired last year. The others have associates degrees and work at blue collar type jobs -- truck driver, CAD, surveyor, clerical for a non-profit. They just never had an interest in moving away from their rural roots, churches, etc. Interestingly, one sister-in-law (well, they got divorced but she's still family) has a BS in biology/botany, but she never did anything in that field; she's a dept. manager at Walmart. Despite the science background, she believes that the Biblical version of creation is true and that the Earth is only 6K years old.
    When I was talking about greed I wasn't trying to single out your husband and make it personal I was just speaking from a 30k foot more general level. For me personally I've been called greedy for being a Republican. What intrigues me is if so many republicans are uneducated poor redneck hillbillies how are they greedy but the rich Ivy League educated wall st, Silicon Valley liberals aren't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    In certain well educated circles socialism is a more enlightened system and form of being. Hence the appeal to liberals.
    Arguendo, why do the more educated circles find socialism a more enlightened system than law of the jungle. Is that irrational? Why would the more rational people be wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    When I was talking about greed I wasn't trying to single out your husband and make it personal I was just speaking from a 30k foot more general level. For me personally I've been called greedy for being a Republican. What intrigues me is if so many republicans are uneducated poor redneck hillbillies how are they greedy but the rich Ivy League educated wall st, Silicon Valley liberals aren't?
    From what I've personally observed, greed tends to have a lot more to do with income than with politics. That being said, in general (R)s do not favor helping out the less unfortunate with social welfare programs whereas (D)s do.... even those "poor redneck hillbillies" who benefit from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    No, I don't think they're greedy. I'm not sure why anyone would correlate the desire for a better income with greed, at least as far as middle-class ppl go which all of us are. My husband has a master's and worked in IT his entire career; not many jobs at all in rural Illinois for that. One of his sisters got her BS in mgmt about five years ago. She lives near Springfield IL (the capitol) because she worked for IDOT. She retired last year. The others have associates degrees and work at blue collar type jobs -- truck driver, CAD, surveyor, clerical for a non-profit. They just never had an interest in moving away from their rural roots, churches, etc. Interestingly, one sister-in-law (well, they got divorced but she's still family) has a BS in biology/botany, but she never did anything in that field; she's a dept. manager at Walmart. Despite the science background, she believes that the Biblical version of creation is true and that the Earth is only 6K years old.
    I got away from the topic of smarts on my last post and was talking about greed. As far as smarts we all know there are different kind of smarts. Book smarts, street smarts etc. I'm sure we all know a Stanford or Ivy League educated brilliant type that couldn't lasts minute in a tough situation on the street. (and I don't mean fighting but just talking).

    I went to high school with a decent number of kids from the "hood" that were not book smart but had amazing instincts and entrepreneurial feel.

    And knowing how many people have switched parties in their lifetime I don't spend much time over concerned who is deemed "smarter". (Well, except in responding to this thread of course)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Arguendo, why do the more educated circles find socialism a more enlightened system than law of the jungle. Is that irrational? Why would the more rational people be wrong?
    It sounds great on paper and while sitting in ivory towers. It goes against human nature however hence capitalism winning the day

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    From what I've personally observed, greed tends to have a lot more to do with income than with politics. That being said, in general (R)s do not favor helping out the less unfortunate with social welfare programs whereas (D)s do.... even those "poor redneck hillbillies" who benefit from them.
    But it's making an assumption that isn't necessarily true which is more programs actually help people. There is definitely hubris involved to tell someone they are greedy for not wanting the help I so "generously" am offering you

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I got away from the topic of smarts on my last post and was talking about greed. As far as smarts we all know there are different kind of smarts. Book smarts, street smarts etc. I'm sure we all know a Stanford or Ivy League educated brilliant type that couldn't lasts minute in a tough situation on the street. (and I don't mean fighting but just talking).

    I went to high school with a decent number of kids from the "hood" that were not book smart but had amazing instincts and entrepreneurial feel.

    And knowing how many people have switched parties in their lifetime I don't spend much time over concerned who is deemed "smarter". (Well, except in responding to this thread of course)
    The NPR article pointed out that the college-educated tend to be more liberal, possibly partly because of their exposure at University to ppl from differing backgrounds -- non-Americans, other religions, other races, etc. Diversity is seen as just how things are, and not as a thing to feel threatened by. That being said, my husband had little to no exposure to Asian or black ppl because there simply weren't any in his workplace and he wasn't one to socialize much with his neighbors. He's not a racist, just unaware. He expressed surprise when we would do stuff with *my* work friends, many of whom had higher level degrees than mine, that "they're just like us." WTF. I guess his whole concept of non-whites came from watching TV crime shows like "Cops." lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    It sounds great on paper and while sitting in ivory towers. It goes against human nature however hence capitalism winning the day
    That was a nice succinct honest answer. Not many conservative understand a belief in conservatism assumes a bleak outlook of human nature, greedy, self centered,
    lack of empathy, a small nuclear circle of pathos and caring for others. Getting people to buy in to good will towards men actually helps the individual is a long uphill slog.
    Not many reptilian brains in those ivory towers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    The NPR article pointed out that the college-educated tend to be more liberal, possibly partly because of their exposure at University to ppl from differing backgrounds -- non-Americans, other religions, other races, etc. Diversity is seen as just how things are, and not as a thing to feel threatened by. That being said, my husband had little to no exposure to Asian or black ppl because there simply weren't any in his workplace and he wasn't one to socialize much with his neighbors. He's not a racist, just unaware. He expressed surprise when we would do stuff with *my* work friends, many of whom had higher level degrees than mine, that "they're just like us." WTF. I guess his whole concept of non-whites came from watching TV crime shows like "Cops." lol
    Haha. A person can't help where they grow up. My family moved to Oakland when I was ten but that's not the case for everyone. Nor does that make me better than anyone, it's just a different experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    That was a nice succinct honest answer. Not many conservative understand a belief in conservatism assumes a bleak outlook of human nature, greedy, self centered,
    lack of empathy, a small nuclear circle of pathos and caring for others. Getting people to buy in to good will towards men actually helps the individual is a long uphill slog.
    Not many reptilian brains in those ivory towers.
    My old man has a PhD in finance. Was a grad school professor who earned tenure. Was a big liberal. Once he got tenure he quit because he wanted to make money so he started a real estate firm. Today's he's not a partisan political guy but he's fiscally conservative.

    So I spent plenty of time growing up around the ivory tower types

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    http://www.asanet.org/research-and-p...re-intelligent

    Oh, wait, I'm wrong. I had a conservative moment. Stupid ignorant hillbilly Republicans.

    "...more intelligent individuals are more likely to espouse liberal political ideology than less intelligent individuals."
    I’m sorry dude but evolutionary psychology, though not as reprehensible as Social Darwinism, is just as bad as science.

    For one it has a weak theoretical basis, with little factual framework, it’s supporting data is largely anectdotal and it’s very difficult to test and like Social Darwinism it is not supported by biological evolutionary theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Figure 3 shows that Add Health respondents who identify themselves as "very conservative" in their early adulthood have a mean adolescent IQ of 94.82, whereas those who identify themselves as "very liberal" have a mean adolescent IQ of 106.42.


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    From a scientific standpoint that self identifing as conservative is a real problem as the sample data set is self selected and not random (read objective) data.
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