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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The connotation is that it's a rampant issue, it's not, it's a rare event.
    My connotation is that shooting kids to death is akin to slaughter. It is, period, end of story. I wasn't speaking to frequency in any way.
    Every life matters

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    of course it is only an opinion piece, but a good and informed one

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ssault-rifles/

    For decades the federal judiciary has been trying to interpret the Second Amendment out of the Constitution. It is, as Sanford Levinson has termed it, an “embarrassment” to an elite class of legal scholars that finds firearms to be unusual and repulsive objects. Now the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has declared that the semi-automatic AR-15 rifle is not covered by the Second Amendment, despite that fact that is the most common rifle sold in the United States. This execrable decision is the latest outrage in a long series of disingenuous judicial contortions.

    The courts have never come to terms with the fact that any intelligible reading of the Second Amendment requires an interpretation that acknowledges and reconciles its two clauses. The operative clause speaks of the “right of the people,” while the prefatory clause justifies the operative clause by professing that a “well regulated militia” is “necessary to the security of a free state.”

    Prior to the Heller decision by the Supreme Court (2008), for 60 years or more the federal judiciary almost unanimously ruled that the Second Amendment did not guarantee an individual right. The militia mentioned in the prefatory clause was taken to be the National Guard. Thus, the right described in the operative clause was interpreted to be the right of states to maintain militia. This interpretation was never credible because it excised the Second Amendment from its contextual and historical underpinnings.

    In the Heller decision, the Supreme Court stated unequivocally for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual right. But Heller was badly flawed. Reversing decades of precedent by lower courts, the Supreme Court read the prefatory militia clause out of the Second Amendment and interpreted the operative clause to protect a personal right. While finding that people have a right to keep a handgun at home for the purpose of self-defense, the court noted in passing that “dangerous and unusual weapons” were not covered by the Second Amendment. But they failed to explain what these might be. The Heller court went so far as to suggest that “weapons most useful in military service — M-16 rifles and the like — may be banned.” Although the Heller decision established an individual right, it also opened the door for lower courts to uphold any statute that banned “dangerous” weapons or those that might be useful “in military service.” The flaw is obvious when one recognizes that virtually all weapons are potentially dangerous and useful in military applications.

    Thus, we arrive at the 4th Circuit decision that even though AR-15 rifles are commonplace, they may be banned because they are “like” M-16s and “useful in military service.” As the dissenting judges noted, this curious logic would have made it possible to ban the muskets and rifles used by citizen militia during the Revolutionary War. But why stop there? Handguns are standard-issue military weapons. Shotguns and bolt-action rifles have been employed by the U.S. military. At one time or place, virtually every weapon has been used by the military, including knives and tomahawks. The irresistible conclusion is that the Second Amendment protects nothing.

    The Second Amendment has never been recondite, it is only the judges who have been obtuse. An intelligible interpretation of the Second Amendment emerges the instant one reconciles the prefatory and operative clauses. In other words, the “militia” described in the prefatory clause is a militia composed of a people with a right to keep and bear arms. What type of arms? In 1939, the Supreme Court spoke explicitly to this. At the time the Second Amendment was adopted, men summoned to militia duty were expected “to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.” The Amendment not only protects weapons that might be useful in a military context, arguably it only protects those weapons useful in military service. Thus, the 4th Circuit Court was exactly and completely wrong.

    What weapons are excluded? Those not in the common usage by an individual citizen, such as poison gas or large artillery pieces. The phrase used in Heller, “dangerous and unusual,” is properly understood to refer to weapons of mass destruction. For those who worry that this interpretation would allow the sale and possession of machine guns, take note: There are currently about a half-million registered and transferable fully automatic weapons owned by individuals in the United States. Yet these are virtually never misused.

    Judge Neil Gorsuch has recently reminded us that good judges often reach decisions they don’t like. Federal judges have found in our Constitution rights to both abortion and gay marriage, subjects that never appear. Perhaps they should consider extending the same latitude to an ancient right that is explicitly provided for.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Seems I really hit a nerve here. Do people want to kiss you with that mouth?
    Poor desperate twat. A good number if these kids will be of voting age in November. Sounds like you’re worried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The connotation is that it's a rampant issue, it's not, it's a rare event.
    30,000+ a year. Is that rare? Maybe medium rare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridaFOOL View Post
    Either way the lower court, the appeals court, ruling stands. States can and will ban assault weapons.
    They aren't assault weapons you moron. These efforts won't do anything to save ONE life. Of course, for brain dead idiots on the left, that doesn't matter because saving lives is far less important than an agenda right? Moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DUMBER IQ of 76 View Post
    Poor desperate twat. A good number if these kids will be of boting age in November. Sounds like you’re worried.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DUMBER IQ of 76 View Post
    30,000+ a year. Is that rare? Maybe medium rare?
    Another lie from a raving lunatic. You really need to be committed.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    He only had to go to a study hall room.

    Life is full of rules you don’t like and sometimes, there are consequences for not following them. He just learned that. Painlessly.
    Yeah....and he did....
    Put blame where it belongs
    ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks during the Obama administration.
    It that time," the NRA wrote in a statement. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
    The ATF and Obama admin. ignored the NRA recommendations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotcha68 View Post
    Many students were willing to face the consequences for walking out. You gotta stand up for what you believe in even if you stand alone.
    You have to know why you believe what you believe if you're going to stand up. Many did not and were only doing what their friends did who also had no clue other than what they've seen the gut haters whine about.

    As for the consequences, don't believe that. I have a neighbor whose dumbass daughter was fooled into believing the gun haters bullshit. She walked out and will be suspended for it. Her whiny ass mother has been all over Facebook complaining about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Poor desperate twat. A good number if these kids will be of voting age in November. Sounds like you’re worried.


    Why would I be worried? The libertarian guy never wins. *shrug*

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    30,000+ a year. Is that rare? Maybe medium rare?



    30,0000 what? There are not 30,000 mass shooting events at schools per year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This "school walkout" is straight out of "1984".

    When it's School sanctioned, it isn't actually a walkout. It's actually students conforming to the government authority by speaking a government-approved opinion in a government-approved venue. And that opinion is that they should have their own rights taken away by the government whose opinion they are expressing.

    You have students marching with the sanction of the state to demand less freedom from the state... and everyone is pretending that their doing so is somehow brave and rebellious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This "school walkout" is straight out of "1984".

    When it's School sanctioned, it isn't actually a walkout. It's actually students conforming to the government authority by speaking a government-approved opinion in a government-approved venue. And that opinion is that they should have their own rights taken away by the government whose opinion they are expressing.

    You have students marching with the sanction of the state to demand less freedom from the state... and everyone is pretending that their doing so is somehow brave and rebellious.

    my take is the prefer not to be killed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourbon View Post
    The Days of CONTROLLING OTHERS are Long Over.


    What does this mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    my take is the prefer not to be killed


    Then they have a list of things they should be far more worried about than school mass shootings.

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