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    Default Greetings Good Posters. Anybody up for Civl Discourse of Politics?

    Hello good people at JPP.

    I come in peace to discuss the issues facing the USA. I offer manners and respect for you, and a promise that I will never tell you off, or be mean to you.

    I respectfully ask for the same in return. Actually I require it. If you share my values this should represent a welcome diversion from the common immaturity seen here.

    I am into civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Anyone who flames on me will be placed on my Ignore List. My rules are more strict than the site rules. My Ignore List is PERMANENT. I never take anyone off Ignore. If you like to call other posters names and you want to blame me, vent on me, etc, please identify yourself by flaming on me promptly so I can add you to my growing Permanent Ignore List.

    Anyone can tell me off one time. If I accept that and do nothing I invite more of the same; I become the enabler for this type of unwarranted aggressive behavior. I am not going to do that. I know it is quite common around here, but I am not going to put up with it. I could. I simply choose not to. That's what an Ignore List is for. I feel like if I take part in that kind of tit for tat, that I lower myself to do that.

    I fully expect to have a very large Ignore List quite rapidly. This is my strategy for having respectful conversations about our national issues. In order to enjoy what I seek, I must filter out ALL of the trash talk. I don't care what form it comes in. It can be accompanied by a very intelligent post, very articulate. That doesn't matter. If it includes being mean, saying mean things about me, I will add that poster to my Ignore List. I don't say mean things about other people, and I am not going to lower myself to those standards.

    Many will not understand this. Some will think I will have nobody to talk to. They are wrong. There are good people with manners who are tired of the trash talking. Not as many as the trash talkers here, but that is not a problem. There is too much activity on this site to keep up with it all anyway. So I am going to build a nice little group of friends here who want to be polite, like they really care about one another. That's what I have in real life, and that is what I will have here. That means I am going to have to make some examples out of some people and show that I mean exactly what I said in my Signature. I refuse to be the target of such venting. Nothing personal at all. I simply choose to remain above that. You can do that too, you know. We all can. I choose to.

    Also, it does not escape me that when people are unable to argue their positions solely on points of merit, and feel they must resort to putting down the opposition? When people act like that, it usually means they are not really confident enough in their own position to simply state how they feel and let it be. As if they don't think their own position is strong enough to stand on it's own merit. A position is actually more convincing if you stick to facts, and point out where other posts deviate from facts.

    I know there are many on this planet who have a genuine love in their heart for fellow humans. I know they exist because I find examples of it constantly. Sadly, there are also some who are filled with rage and frustration. They are just looking for someone to direct it towards. When we enable one another to do that to us, we perpetuate the grief and hatred. I am not going to do that.

    All we have to do is find that love in our hearts for humankind and look for it. It is out there. It is inside all of us. We are intelligent beings, but we are creatures of habit. We Americans have some bad habits. Lately one of them is being mean to others on the internet. Very similar to being mean, dangerous, and overly aggressive as drivers, something which has existed long before the internet, but something which has become worse over time. I have to chuckle when I think that some of our worst posters here post like some of our worst drivers drive, but it's sadly true.

    Habits can be changed if you try hard enough. That is a very powerful lesson in life. Do your habits control you? Or do you control your habits... Any habit can be changed or established by simply consciously acting differently for a period of 2-3 weeks. After that time period, it becomes second nature. Then you don't have to think about it, it just comes naturally. It is your new habit. Very powerful for self-improvement.

    If you are not proud of your habits, and there is a small part of you, a nagging feeling, that it is not right? Listen to that. You can change your habits. Let it begin with enjoying a mutually respectful and long lasting exchange of ideas with me. You never have to worry that I am going to tell you off. I don't do that. I argue on the basis of merit. If you can do that too I believe you will find your credibility will be very high.

    Welcome to a new era at JPP. Let that begin with me, and with you. Thanks for listening; thanks for being kind. Be kind to yourself; be kind to others.

    Let's have some fun learning, exchanging ideas, and finding out what makes the other side tick as we get better informed and better able to be responsible citizens!

    Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.

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    I see I misspelled 'Civil' in the OP Title.

    I would edit that to correct if, if I could.
    Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello good people at JPP.

    I come in peace to discuss the issues facing the USA. I offer manners and respect for you, and a promise that I will never tell you off, or be mean to you.

    I respectfully ask for the same in return. Actually I require it. If you share my values this should represent a welcome diversion from the common immaturity seen here.

    I am into civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Anyone who flames on me will be placed on my Ignore List. My rules are more strict than the site rules. My Ignore List is PERMANENT. I never take anyone off Ignore. If you like to call other posters names and you want to blame me, vent on me, etc, please identify yourself by flaming on me promptly so I can add you to my growing Permanent Ignore List.

    Anyone can tell me off one time. If I accept that and do nothing I invite more of the same; I become the enabler for this type of unwarranted aggressive behavior. I am not going to do that. I know it is quite common around here, but I am not going to put up with it. I could. I simply choose not to. That's what an Ignore List is for. I feel like if I take part in that kind of tit for tat, that I lower myself to do that.

    I fully expect to have a very large Ignore List quite rapidly. This is my strategy for having respectful conversations about our national issues. In order to enjoy what I seek, I must filter out ALL of the trash talk. I don't care what form it comes in. It can be accompanied by a very intelligent post, very articulate. That doesn't matter. If it includes being mean, saying mean things about me, I will add that poster to my Ignore List. I don't say mean things about other people, and I am not going to lower myself to those standards.

    Many will not understand this. Some will think I will have nobody to talk to. They are wrong. There are good people with manners who are tired of the trash talking. Not as many as the trash talkers here, but that is not a problem. There is too much activity on this site to keep up with it all anyway. So I am going to build a nice little group of friends here who want to be polite, like they really care about one another. That's what I have in real life, and that is what I will have here. That means I am going to have to make some examples out of some people and show that I mean exactly what I said in my Signature. I refuse to be the target of such venting. Nothing personal at all. I simply choose to remain above that. You can do that too, you know. We all can. I choose to.

    Also, it does not escape me that when people are unable to argue their positions solely on points of merit, and feel they must resort to putting down the opposition? When people act like that, it usually means they are not really confident enough in their own position to simply state how they feel and let it be. As if they don't think their own position is strong enough to stand on it's own merit. A position is actually more convincing if you stick to facts, and point out where other posts deviate from facts.

    I know there are many on this planet who have a genuine love in their heart for fellow humans. I know they exist because I find examples of it constantly. Sadly, there are also some who are filled with rage and frustration. They are just looking for someone to direct it towards. When we enable one another to do that to us, we perpetuate the grief and hatred. I am not going to do that.

    All we have to do is find that love in our hearts for humankind and look for it. It is out there. It is inside all of us. We are intelligent beings, but we are creatures of habit. We Americans have some bad habits. Lately one of them is being mean to others on the internet. Very similar to being mean, dangerous, and overly aggressive as drivers, something which has existed long before the internet, but something which has become worse over time. I have to chuckle when I think that some of our worst posters here post like some of our worst drivers drive, but it's sadly true.

    Habits can be changed if you try hard enough. That is a very powerful lesson in life. Do your habits control you? Or do you control your habits... Any habit can be changed or established by simply consciously acting differently for a period of 2-3 weeks. After that time period, it becomes second nature. Then you don't have to think about it, it just comes naturally. It is your new habit. Very powerful for self-improvement.

    If you are not proud of your habits, and there is a small part of you, a nagging feeling, that it is not right? Listen to that. You can change your habits. Let it begin with enjoying a mutually respectful and long lasting exchange of ideas with me. You never have to worry that I am going to tell you off. I don't do that. I argue on the basis of merit. If you can do that too I believe you will find your credibility will be very high.

    Welcome to a new era at JPP. Let that begin with me, and with you. Thanks for listening; thanks for being kind. Be kind to yourself; be kind to others.

    Let's have some fun learning, exchanging ideas, and finding out what makes the other side tick as we get better informed and better able to be responsible citizens!

    That approach is great, but it doesn't work very well here. I've tried this, but wasted my time. You have tons of right wing haters here, that openly speak their prejudices. They use the c word, and the n word enough to make a saint want them to fuck off. I'm sure some are trolls, but some may well be legit sickos as well. Here's a group of the Stormfront type sickos. Text Drivers Are Killers, Praisekek, Volsrock, hvilleherb, The Ugly Truth, Q-Tip, Ooda, CFM, Rob Larrkin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    That approach is great, but it doesn't work very well here. I've tried this, but wasted my time. You have tons of right wing haters here, that openly speak their prejudices. They use the c word, and the n word enough to make a saint want them to fuck off. I'm sure some are trolls, but some may well be legit sickos as well. Here's a group of the Stormfront type sickos. Text Drivers Are Killers, Praisekek, Volsrock, hvilleherb, The Ugly Truth, Q-Tip, Ooda, CFM, Rob Larrkin
    Hello and greetings Jade Dragon,

    Thanks for the hello. My pleasure to 'meet' you. Thanks for the short list. My Ignore List already contains several of those.

    I fully understand my stringent standards will filter out most of what is said here. That is my intent. It is pointless to talk to people who are only looking for a target to aim their frustrations at. I hope that by filtering out the garbage I will reduce my time here to the most intellectual posts. I'm sure that won't work well for taking part in most of the posting.

    But hey, look. You thought you were alone in this approach. Now there are two of us. I bet there are more. I believe the true waste of time is talking to those who are only looking for a place to vent.
    Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.

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    not listening to everyone leads to a certain kind of blindness


    I insult people because it is incombent on a society to shame publically the people who refuse to accept facts and spew lies

    if they are not properly labeled as liars some will believe them


    they destroy anything mankind can build

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    That approach is great, but it doesn't work very well here. I've tried this, but wasted my time. You have tons of right wing haters here, that openly speak their prejudices. They use the c word, and the n word enough to make a saint want them to fuck off. I'm sure some are trolls, but some may well be legit sickos as well. Here's a group of the Stormfront type sickos. Text Drivers Are Killers, Praisekek, Volsrock, hvilleherb, The Ugly Truth, Q-Tip, Ooda, CFM, Rob Larrkin
    they MUST be faced down


    people read these sites and DONT post


    I know its hard to believe but its true


    these type sites are a gold mine of information about what Americans think


    they have to be shamed

    there is only one way to do it

    with all the tools of mankind


    that includes invective and humor

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    Hello evince,

    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    not listening to everyone leads to a certain kind of blindness
    Perhaps, but I am willing to accept that. I don't believe the effect is any kind of detriment to my positions.

    I put up with trash talking posts for a very long time. After a while, they begin to sound alike. I got tired of reading endless variations on ways to make a put-down. It's so petty. Remember what Eleanor Roosevelt said? "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people"

    Eleanor Roosevelt

    A few years back I realized I could save a lot of time by filtering all that stuff out. I was right! When I visit, I don't waste any time reading trash talk. Everything I read is posted on the merit of a good argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    I insult people because it is incombent on a society to shame publically the people who refuse to accept facts and spew lies
    We'll just have to disagree on this. I think a better way is to simply point out where they are wrong and state what is correct. Sticking to the merit of an argument is far more effective. There need be nothing personal about it. Merit-based arguing is indisputably more credible.

    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    if they are not properly labeled as liars some will believe them
    That's true, but they probably would anyway if that's their mindset.

    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    they destroy anything mankind can build
    That is not true. To be more precise, it is a complete exaggeration.
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    I keep a pretty steady and relaxed tone, and am not into calling people names. I prefer to rely on the merits of my posts instead of countering arguments with foul language. I do not use the ignore feature, since I can sift through the trash just fine on my own. I put a lot of value into seeing my most disgusting political opponents express themselves freely. Politics is an ugly sport, so members of political boards should not be surprised at just how ugly it gets.

    I am your political opponent, so maybe you should put me on ignore right away. Since I am your political opponent, whatever I have to say is going to sound like trolling to you, so go ahead and shield your sensitive eyes before you end up reading an opposing political opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    not listening to everyone leads to a certain kind of blindness
    Wow, I can't believe I agree with the lefty forum bot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello evince,



    Perhaps, but I am willing to accept that. I don't believe the effect is any kind of detriment to my positions.

    I put up with trash talking posts for a very long time. After a while, they begin to sound alike. I got tired of reading endless variations on ways to make a put-down. A few years back I realized I could save a lot of time by filtering all that stuff out. I was right! When I visit, I don't wast any time reading trash talk. Everything I read is posted on the merit of a good argument.



    We'll just have to disagree on this. I think a better way is to simply point out where they are wrong and state what is correct. Sticking to the merit of an argument is far more effective. There need be nothing personal about it. Merit-based arguing is indisputably more credible.


    That's true, but they probably would anyway if that's their mindset.






    That is not true. To be more precise, it is a complete exaggeration.


    I'm not trying to insult you I'm trying to speak plainly

    This is not about YOU

    this is about killing lies

    people read these pages

    their lies stand unchallenged when you ignore these people



    not when you are dealing with humans

    people will be highly more likely to read and retain things when they are formatted in a certain way the brain finds easy to retain

    entertaining brings eyes


    I get your point

    I have tried many ways to engauge people on these foremats


    the way I post is tailored just for that purpose

    human minds are human minds no matter how we want to pretend they are something other than that


    I make people laugh and trounce the liars while giving facts

    dude

    trust me it works the best of all



    voters are not who you wish they are


    they are who they are





    yes lies destroy anything mankind can build

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    Wow, I can't believe I agree with the lefty forum bot.
    not ignoring people is how I spotted that there were fake posters on the internets before the Russian shit was outed

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    trust me poli I have done this for over a decade


    tried not insulting people


    it gained the debate NOTHING


    people still insulted me non stop


    its silly to come to an open site and then refuse to talk to most of the people there

    its like watching only fox news

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    Hey, Poli.

    I'm here to discuss anything you want to discuss...and I promise I will do it with taste and class.

    I was enjoying the "what are we gonna do when earning a living is no longer feasible" discussion.

    As for putting people on IGNORE...

    ...I have participated in over a dozen forums during the last 20 years. Started on ABUZZ...the New York Time/Boston Globe (now defunct) forum.

    During those 20 years...I put only one person on IGNORE.

    I've got three on IGNORE in this forum...and I've only been here a couple of months. Lots of really bad actors here.

    Looking forward to decent discussions with you on a variety of subjects.

    (By the way...if some of the childish ones become a nuisance...you can get them banned from your threads.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post

    its silly to come to an open site and then refuse to talk to most of the people there

    its like watching only fox news
    Rock solid! I can't believe this is coming out of a lefty! Lets put it to the test though... is it also like watching only lefty MSM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    Rock solid! I can't believe this is coming out of a lefty! Lets put it to the test though... is it also like watching only lefty MSM?
    left leaning people don't idiot


    we watch all news


    its your idiot channel that tells their duped viewers that ALL OTHER NEWS LIES

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