Capitalism Has Destroyed / Is Destroying American Family Values

[PoliTalker]

Hello Flash,

More projection and bigoted stereotyping and problems with reading comprehension.

I think everyone deserves respect and never made any suggestions about cutting social programs despite Frank's cute little memes. You both want to imagine what conservatives think based on a forum message board and assume I must be conservative since I don't agree with all of your intolerant liberal views. Your intolerance and denigration of others you think are beneath you is what allowed Donald Trump to be elected--they reacted against your self-righteous views.

Nailed it.

You caught me doing that and you were right. I want to know when I am making incorrect assumptions. It's so easy to do. And after you catch yourself doing it, it becomes easier to spot it in others. What I see is Frank and evince attacking you personally when that's not what this Topic is supposed to be about. You know, I can see disputing ideas and perceptions of issues or policy. That's what this is all about. But as soon as it shifts from the Topic to denigrating an opposing poster and making assumptions about them, I am not on board with that.

You and I have different ideas, but we are on the same page when it comes to how we conduct ourselves on this board.

I wish more people would just drop all the personal stuff and stick to the ideas, the subject at hand.

It's like they run out of intelligent things to say so they start trying to attack the credibility of the opposing person. That's just lame. And lazy, btw.

[PoliTalker]

Hello evince,

being civil doesn't always work

That does not justify being uncivil.

Nothing really does.

[PoliTalker]

Hello evince,

flash lied

and pretended her numbers were up to date

she is not an honest broker


she has tossed the gift of respectful treatment in the trash

Flash never claimed the numbers were for this year. Looks to me like that study is performed every 10 years. Perhaps the most recent one is not complete. And why would we expect any change? The one Flash posted did say the results were essentially unchanged from the previous study.

I actually already knew that much of the middle class has risen in wealth. And that is really to be expected. The older you get, the more wealth you accumulate if you have any wealth-building assets. And if you keep working, the more experience you have so the more income you get.

I suspect the reason we have so many poor is we pretty much encourage the poor to reproduce, with our policy. The more kids they have the more govt assistance they get. There is no point in disputing that. The question is: How do we fix it? We could tell the poor they only get so much and if they have kids then the support of the kids comes out of what we give a childless couple. But we would have to give that childless couple enough to support themselves fairly nicely, such that if a family were to live more frugally on that income, they could raise kids. And we might have to say if they have more than two kids they are going to be strapped financially but it is their own fault for not thinking. A policy like that could really change the breakdown.

There is no justification for incivility because Flash posted what you were asking for. You brought that on yourself. Everything is not perfect, every study is not recent.

[PoliTalker]

Hello evince,

If a society finds itself with a faction of people who use lies in place of facts it is incumbent on that society to publically shame those liars until they accept facts or STFU


unless they do that their society is lost

But if somebody believes differently that is not a lie and we need to be able to discuss our different views.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Flash,

Because mobility studies are done by decade and that is the latest decade study. Try to keep up.

So far, that doesn't appear to be possible.

One thing is certain. If I were conservative, and had the same exact approach to how I post here, I would have evince on Ignore.

[Oracle Of JPP 714]

Different strokes for different folks. Not everybody can be borg.

[PoliTalker]

Capitalism drives parents to focus too much on making money and thus ignore their children.

Just look at the president.

Not much of a father to Barron.

[Irish Exit]

It's like they run out of intelligent things to say so they start trying to attack the credibility of the opposing person. That's just lame. And lazy, btw.

So everyone is less intelligent than you. Gotcha.

[Fentoine Lum]

American families are clearly on the decline. Divorce rates and out-of-wedlock child birth rates are up. Capitalism has played a crucial role in this evolution.

Decades ago, it took just one income to support a family. That included a 40 hour week, full health care, vacations, savings and retirement. Unions won most of those family-enhancing struggles. This represented a bit of a loss for capitalism as many of those family-beneficial victories came at the expense of additional profits for the richest.

But capitalism relentlessly seeks to maximize the profitability of any situation. A war on unions and worker rights was the response from capitalism to all those family-enhancing detriments to profitability. Good jobs with family-supporting benefits have routinely been downsized, offshored, mechanized, computerized, and broken into several part time positions with no benefits.

The traditional male/female roles where he works, brings home the bacon, and she is the home maker have now been relegated to the rich who can afford nannies, cooks, gardeners, etc.

Family values have become luxuries only affordable to the rich. Capitalism is the culprit.

Clearly, in order to make America great again, families are going to need something more than empty words of support.

Capitalism is a wonderful and powerful wealth-generating tool, but it is also dangerous to American family values. The lesson is apparent: Capitalism must be balanced with the proper amount of socialism. Capitalism is like a powerful engine. The engine of capitalism, without socialism as a governor, and left to run at wide open throttle, is bound to blow up. Our challenge is not a choice between capitalism and socialism, it is clearly one of how to blend the two.

Our young nation is at a point where we are falling behind the other older nations which have already figured this out. It is now time for us to accept this challenge and show that we can do it better.

Unfortunately the power structure is vested in defeating your challenge.

[Nordberg]

This is an old refrain.

Horace 20 bc. Our sires age was worse than our grandsires,.We their sons are more worthless than they . So in turn we shall give the world ,progeny more corrupt.

1624 Thomas Barnes youth were never more sawcie,yea never more savagely sawcie
the ancients are scorned ,the honorable are condemned the magistrate not dreaded.

This is not new.

Sawcie means insolent.

[Truth Detector]

Capitalism drives parents to focus too much on making money and thus ignore their children.

Just look at the president.

Not much of a father to Barron.

Another massive pile of stupid. You leftist just keep doubling down on moron. STFU

[Nordberg]

The sad fact is we accept the meme " corporations exist to maximize profits'. There should be an addendum about doing no harm' the forefathers chartered corporations and would take their charters away for doing harm . We seemed to have missed that part.

[evince]

greed and election cheating are harming the reputation of capitalism


well fettered capitalism is what gives us freedom

[evince]

Hello Flash,



So far, that doesn't appear to be possible.

One thing is certain. If I were conservative, and had the same exact approach to how I post here, I would have evince on Ignore.

thank you

[evince]

Hello evince,



But if somebody believes differently that is not a lie and we need to be able to discuss our different views.

if somebody believes a lie and the facts are offered to them its their fault


they deserve to be publicly shamed for that evil