Truth Detector (02-28-2018)
Why do I say this? For several reason, but the main one is that nothing physical can create itself. Therefore, the universe had a Creator. In order to refute this, you must first give an example of something creating itself. It's a scientific impossibility.
Truth Detector (02-28-2018)
Truth Detector (02-28-2018)
How do you know that? Are you a god?
Anyway...I think that is just a blind guess...which you need in order to make the assertion of your tread title.
Interesting blind guess you are making there, Grug. Thank you for sharing it.The universe had a beginning.
You may even be correct. But then again, you might be wrong.
Care to tell us how you KNOW the universe (THE UNIVERSE) had a beginning?
What fantasy?Your fantasy does not in any way change that.
Truth Detector (02-28-2018)
Truth Detector (02-28-2018)
But...but...but....
...he was talking about "THE" universe...not "this" universe.
If you are talking about this thing we humans call "the universe"...I would agree that scientists probably have it right that it came into existence via the Big Bang.
But where did the ingredients from the Big Bang come from?
Did they always exist...or did a god "create" them.
I DO NOT KNOW.
I suspect you and that other guy do not know either.
I acknowledge that I do not know.
And you?
There is also the fact that any fictional pre universe would have to come from somewhere. The simple fact is that everything physical had a beginning. Even energy. I know, I know. Scientists tell us that energy has always existed. How could they possibly know this? They can't. They say it has always existed because it cannot be created or destroyed...by man. Doesn't mean that someone or something greater than man couldn't create it. I also find it funny that the same people who say energy is eternal, dismiss the idea of an eternal God.
Truth Detector (02-28-2018)
I'm fairly certain he's discussing the one he and I are standing in........you I'm not so sure about......
either they were created or they came from another universe......either way, THIS universe had a beginning......But where did the ingredients from the Big Bang come from?
you know they did not exist in this universe.....I DO NOT KNOW.
Truth Detector (02-28-2018)
Grugore (02-28-2018), Truth Detector (02-28-2018)
no....science states that the universe had a beginning......by definition, that which has a beginning is not eternal.......it is your argument that makes no sense........even if the matter was converted from some other dimension/universe it had an end there and a beginning here........that is contrary to the definition of "eternal"
Truth Detector (02-28-2018)
He spoke about "the" universe. You were talking about "this" universe.
This thing we humans call the universe almost certainly had a beginning...although the jury is still out about the ingredients that were already here in order for "what we humans call the universe" to "begin.". Chances are "begin" is used in this part of the conversation in quite a different way than "begin" often is used. We are talking about that "special kind of nothing" (which is actually something) that physicists speak of.
either they were created or they came from another universe......either way, THIS universe had a beginning......
We are not discussing that. This guy is saying that there has to be a god...because "this" is a creation. We do not know if it is a "creation" or not. Even if it came into existence from "that special kind of nothing"...it DOES NOT MEAN IT IS A CREATION.
He is asserting things which he can establish logically.
He asserting there is a god (my guess he is asserting the god is HIS god); he is asserting that the universe is a creation (it may not be).
No I do not...and neither do you. Albert Einstein did not know...Stephen Hawking does not know.you know they did not exist in this universe.....
So...where are you?
The human mind cannot truly accept that anything can be endless. Everything we know has a beginning and an end. I know space is endless but I still have to wonder if it has an end.
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