The universe requires a Creator

[Frank Apisa]

The Bible. But since that's probably not good enough for, it's just plain common sense. There has to be a first cause for everything. That cause would have to have existed for eternity. There is a scientific explanation for this. It's called an infinite regression. Which is what you would have without God. Btw, an infinite regression is impossible.

If you are asserting that something CAN exist for eternity...why not "this"...this thing we humans call the universe or existence?

If you are asserting that something CAN exist without a cause...why not "this"...this thing we humans call the universe or existence?

You cannot possibly be buying into that "because 'this' is a physical thing."

Chances are this is not physical...just a lot of energy giving an illusion of physical...albeit, as Albert Einstein mentioned, "a very persistent illusion."

Any physical thing...can be halved. Are you of the opinion that one can "halve" in an infinite regression? (Oh, no...you mentioned that is impossible.) If so, then the "physical" is impossible. Perhaps REALITY is all spirit...and existed forever.

[domer76]

I do not use circular arguments. I believe in God because of the abundance of evidence, not the least of which is prophecy. Here's a question for you. If you got 40 people together and told them to write a book, two thirds of which was prophecy, each working on a different part, how do you think it would turn out? It would be a complete mess. Full of contradictions and errors. It would be humanly impossible. The Bible was written by roughly 40 different authors over a 1500 year period, and it is internally consistent with no errors or contradictions. Not only does it not contradict itself, it is 100 percent correct in everything it says. It has been proven through both historical records and archeology. The evidence is there.

The Bible says your god is infinite and that’s true because thd Bible is the word of your god so it must be true.

Circular pal. Your head spins when you cite it.

[Frank Apisa]

I do not use circular arguments. I believe in God because of the abundance of evidence, not the least of which is prophecy. Here's a question for you. If you got 40 people together and told them to write a book, two thirds of which was prophecy, each working on a different part, how do you think it would turn out? It would be a complete mess. Full of contradictions and errors. It would be humanly impossible. The Bible was written by roughly 40 different authors over a 1500 year period, and it is internally consistent with no errors or contradictions. Not only does it not contradict itself, it is 100 percent correct in everything it says. It has been proven through both historical records and archeology. The evidence is there.

Hummm.

Romans
3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:



Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous. Hebrews 11:4

And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds 2 Peter 2:7-8

Therefore the LORD hath recompensed me [David] according to my righteousness; according to my cleanness in his eye sight. 2 Samuel 22:25

They [Elisabeth and Zechariah] were both righteous before God, walking in the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. Luke 1:6

[Grugore]

The Bible says your god is infinite and that’s true because thd Bible is the word of your god so it must be true.

Circular pal. Your head spins when you cite it.

Once again, the Bible is true in everything it says. It even predicted future events with 100 percent accuracy. That proves that it's author is supernatural.

[domer76]

Once again, the Bible is true in everything it says. It even predicted future events with 100 percent accuracy. That proves that it's author is supernatural.

How do you keep a hat on with your head spinning so much?

[Grugore]

How do you keep a hat on with your head spinning so much?

Well, it's painfully obvious that you have nothing intelligent to say. If you were at least funny, I wouldn't be putting you on my ignore list. Some people are so stupid they are funny. You can't even manage that. You are not only stupid, you are boring. Goodbye

[domer76]

Well, it's painfully obvious that you have nothing intelligent to say. If you were at least funny, I wouldn't be putting you on my ignore list. Some people are so stupid they are funny. You can't even manage that. You are not only stupid, you are boring. Goodbye

[PostmodernProphet]

I have NEVER argued that the universe has no beginning.

I have argued that the universe MAY NOT HAVE HAD A BEGINNING.

THE UNIVERSE may be eternal. This despite the seeming Big Bang start to what we humans call "the universe."

We do not know...the scientists DO NOT KNOW...Albert Einstein DID NOT KNOW...Stephen Hawking DOES NOT KNOW.

You, unfortunately for you, are not able to acknowledge you do not know...and the guy who started this thread cannot either. Too bad that, because all it takes is a sense of integrity and a bit of honesty...which you two apparently do not possess.

The question of whether or not gods exist...has been discussed and debated by the finest minds that have lived on this planet...and they have not been able to come up with an answer. We are not going to do it here. The guy who started this thread is not going to simply declare that a god is required; have someone like you agree...and PRESTO...the question is answered.

Amazing you are not able to see the absurdity of that.

Anyway, I am glad you finally realized you should go argue with someone else. I doubt you have the spine or integrity to do that, though...and I think you will continue to trade barbs with me. I suspect you don't have what it takes to actually make a move like that.

since we can know nothing it is a waste of time to discuss anything.....

[PostmodernProphet]

Jesus H. Christ!

First that crap about changing what he said from "the universe" to "THIS universe"...and now you are trying to change this also.

He said, "There is no such thing as an agnostic, according to the Bible. "

What the hell are you...his interpreter?

If you are...use what the guy actually says or writes...rather than making up stuff you see as more worthy!

hey Francis?......fuck off......I'm through wasting my time with you....

[PostmodernProphet]

Your ignorance is really something to behold. I'd explain, but you just wouldn't get it.

domer has one argument and he uses it whenever he can......

[Frank Apisa]

since we can know nothing it is a waste of time to discuss anything.....

We can know plenty...unless you want to engage in solipsism.

But we cannot know the true nature of the REALITY of existence. To suppose that means we can know nothing...is absurd.

[Frank Apisa]

hey Francis?......fuck off......I'm through wasting my time with you....

Yeah, you've said that a couple of times.

I'd don't think you've got it in you.

Oh, my name is not Francis.

[Grugore]

domer has one argument and he uses it whenever he can......

I'm still laughing at that one.

[domer76]

I'm still laughing at that one.

Versus this one that you just invoked? Sad that you’re too fucking stupid to recognize it. But, then again, an ignoramus that thinks a big boat held all the animals in the world will buy anything.

“The Bible is the word of God"
"How can you be sure it's the word of God?"
"Because the Bible tells us so"
"Why believe the Bible?
"The Bible is infallible"
"How do you know it's infallible?"...

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[Nordberg]

since we can know nothing it is a waste of time to discuss anything.....

Well religion make it up. Then followers believe it. They pretend to know, but you are right, they do not. Religion is a complete waste of time.