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    why do these doinks keep claiming something had to create its self


    where is that written?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Grind is basically right
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    Grind’s got you beat by miles. He is very intelligent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Grind is basically right
    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Grind’s got you beat by miles. He is very intelligent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    of course you are.....
    No...I am not.



    go play in the street.....
    .

    Very classy.


    if you don't like what I believe you can ignore it or live with it......
    I could not care less about what you guess about the REALITY of existence.


    I really don't give a fuck if you agree with me......
    Nor I...with you.


    science believes that the universe is material and that the universe had a beginning.....
    Science asserts that this thing we humans call "the universe" had a beginning in the Big Bang. They do NOT know if this is all there is to THE UNIVERSE...they do not know about what WAS before the Big Bang. As for this thing being "material"...you are incorrect. Scientists have discovered that molecule exist...made of atoms...made of sub atomic particles...made of...who knows what.

    If the answer were as simple as you think it is...EVERY scientist would be a theist of some sort...but most are atheists or agnostics.

    So wake the hell up before calling other people stupid.


    ...if you don't like that tell science why its wrong.....
    Not necessary. You are mistaking the scientific position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    Perhaps you should be asking yourself who would be capable of creating it.
    I thought you said this god of yours is not a physical entity. So, what’s with the “who” in ‘who created the universe’?

    Looks like your god is a physical entity. A self-created one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    Once again, the Bible is true in everything it says. It even predicted future events with 100 percent accuracy. That proves that it's author is supernatural.
    That is, indeed, an interesting conjecture ... 100 percent accuracy.

    Would you change your mind if I can show you a clear-cut example of a biblical prediction/prophecy was not 100% accurate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypGnosis View Post
    That is, indeed, an interesting conjecture ... 100 percent accuracy.

    Would you change your mind if I can show you a clear-cut example of a biblical prediction/prophecy was not 100% accurate?
    I predict you will not be able to do that without lying about what the Bible predicts......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    I predict you will not be able to do that without lying about what the Bible predicts......
    Cool!

    It involves two male characters who lived at different times and different places; and the one in the most recent time said it would duplicate a similar feat (timewise) done in the earlier instance.

    But you didn't answer my question ... you merely expressed confidence that I will fail.

    Again, Would you change your mind if I succeed? More importantly, would it change your certainty on biblical predictions/prophecies to something less than 100%?

    Chapters & verses to follow if you (yea or nay) answer my question.

    BTW, let me know if there is a particular translation of the Bible you prefer, one that is online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypGnosis View Post
    Cool!

    It involves two male characters who lived at different times and different places; and the one in the most recent time said it would duplicate a similar feat (timewise) done in the earlier instance.

    But you didn't answer my question ... you merely expressed confidence that I will fail.

    Again, Would you change your mind if I succeed? More importantly, would it change your certainty on biblical predictions/prophecies to something less than 100%?

    Chapters & verses to follow if you (yea or nay) answer my question.

    BTW, let me know if there is a particular translation of the Bible you prefer, one that is online.
    There actually are many.

    But this is not going to work with PP. He simply ignores anything that does not comport with what he has decided is so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    I predict you will not be able to do that without lying about what the Bible predicts......
    Most Bible prophesy was written after the fact.

    The term for it is Vāticinium ex ēventū is a technical theological or historiographical term referring to a prophecy written after the author already had information about the events being "foretold". The text is written so as to appear that the prophecy had taken place before the event, when in fact it was written after the events supposedly predicted.

    Vaticinium ex eventu is a form of hindsight bias. The concept is similar but distinct from postdiction, where prophecies that were genuinely written or spoken before the event are reinterpreted after the event to fit the facts as they occurred....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypGnosis View Post
    Cool!

    It involves two male characters who lived at different times and different places; and the one in the most recent time said it would duplicate a similar feat (timewise) done in the earlier instance.

    But you didn't answer my question ... you merely expressed confidence that I will fail.

    Again, Would you change your mind if I succeed? More importantly, would it change your certainty on biblical predictions/prophecies to something less than 100%?

    Chapters & verses to follow if you (yea or nay) answer my question.

    BTW, let me know if there is a particular translation of the Bible you prefer, one that is online.
    I use the NIV.....quit wasting time trot out your evidence or quit posting......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    There actually are many.

    But this is not going to work with PP. He simply ignores anything that does not comport with what he has decided is so.
    lol.....talk about projection.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    Most Bible prophesy was written after the fact.

    The term for it is Vāticinium ex ēventū is a technical theological or historiographical term referring to a prophecy written after the author already had information about the events being "foretold". The text is written so as to appear that the prophecy had taken place before the event, when in fact it was written after the events supposedly predicted.

    Vaticinium ex eventu is a form of hindsight bias. The concept is similar but distinct from postdiction, where prophecies that were genuinely written or spoken before the event are reinterpreted after the event to fit the facts as they occurred....
    I am writing this after you posted........I predict you will get things wrong again.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    I am writing this after you posted........I predict you will get things wrong again.......
    Nope..

    Leviticus and Deuteronomy were written during and after the Babylonian exile.. Then Genesis and Exodus were written later.

    During the time of King Omri the stories from Judah and Israel were cobbled together..

    They had schools for prophets.. and they were like our modern day news analysts predicting loosely what might happen if they did or didn't do certain things.

    Some books were written by more than one author and added to hundreds of years later.

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