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    The Bible contains farces that even an act of God cannot explain. After the creation, God asks Adam to look over the animals and find one “suitable” for him (Genesis 2:18-20). The all-knowing god is absolutely clueless as to what kind of partner Adam might desire. Did he not already realize that he was going to make a woman for him? Isn’t it also disgusting for God to propose that Adam should find an animal to be his sexual companion?

    Two additional stories in Genesis seem relevant to about every topic we cover: Noah and Babel. During Noah’s flood, God kills almost the entire world population of humans and animals because the people are evil. Why would an omniscient god lack the common sense to get his creation right the first time so that he isn’t required to redo everything? Afterwards, he promises to never do it again because humans are evil (Genesis 8:21). As stated before, God admits that the flood solved nothing. Several years later, groups of people assemble to build a tower so that they can see God in Heaven. Since God doesn’t like this seemingly impossible idea of people spotting him, he confuses their language to cease construction on the tower (Genesis 11:1-8). The people may not have realized that God didn’t actually live on top of a dome over the earth, but God should have been aware of this information for obvious reasons. We’ve looked deep into space with telescopes, but God didn’t stop us on those endeavors. Why would he think that these primitive people could see him? Is this when he moved from the earth’s dome to the outer boundaries of the universe? What about all the other authors who claim to have caught a glimpse of God? The Tower of Babel myth is definitely one of the most absurd stories ever told. Even so, a good portion of the world still ignorantly accepts it as truth. That’s a shame, too.

    Later in Genesis, God asks himself if he should hide his plans for destroying Sodom from Abraham (Genesis 18:17). Why would God not know what he’s going to do, and how could Abraham’s knowledge of the matter have any possible outcome on God’s ultimate decision to exercise his infinite power? On the other hand, perhaps God has good reason to worry since we’ve already established that he isn’t all-knowing or all-powerful as the Bible claims.

    When God is preparing to go on another murdering spree, he tells the people of Israel to smear blood on their doors so that he’ll know which homes are occupied by his chosen people (Exodus 12:13). With this directive completed, he’s free to kill all the Egyptian firstborn male children without accidentally harming an Israelite, but why does he need blood on the doors to serve as a reminder if he knows everything? Jonah, like Cain before him, was able to leave the presence of God (Jonah 1:3). According to Zephaniah, God will search through Jerusalem with candles and find people who scoff at him (1:12). Why would God need candles to see in the dark? Judges 1:19 says that God was with the men of Judah in a battle, yet they couldn’t drive out the enemies because the other side was riding upon chariots of iron. If God is with someone, shouldn’t this person be able to do the miracles that every other God-accompanied individual performs? Honestly, did authors bother to proofread their work centuries ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    Why do I say this? For several reason, but the main one is that nothing physical can create itself. Therefore, the universe had a Creator. In order to refute this, you must first give an example of something creating itself. It's a scientific impossibility.
    Humankind created the notion of a male dominator god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    The Bible contains farces that even an act of God cannot explain. After the creation, God asks Adam to look over the animals and find one “suitable” for him (Genesis 2:18-20). The all-knowing god is absolutely clueless as to what kind of partner Adam might desire. Did he not already realize that he was going to make a woman for him? Isn’t it also disgusting for God to propose that Adam should find an animal to be his sexual companion?

    Two additional stories in Genesis seem relevant to about every topic we cover: Noah and Babel. During Noah’s flood, God kills almost the entire world population of humans and animals because the people are evil. Why would an omniscient god lack the common sense to get his creation right the first time so that he isn’t required to redo everything? Afterwards, he promises to never do it again because humans are evil (Genesis 8:21). As stated before, God admits that the flood solved nothing. Several years later, groups of people assemble to build a tower so that they can see God in Heaven. Since God doesn’t like this seemingly impossible idea of people spotting him, he confuses their language to cease construction on the tower (Genesis 11:1-8). The people may not have realized that God didn’t actually live on top of a dome over the earth, but God should have been aware of this information for obvious reasons. We’ve looked deep into space with telescopes, but God didn’t stop us on those endeavors. Why would he think that these primitive people could see him? Is this when he moved from the earth’s dome to the outer boundaries of the universe? What about all the other authors who claim to have caught a glimpse of God? The Tower of Babel myth is definitely one of the most absurd stories ever told. Even so, a good portion of the world still ignorantly accepts it as truth. That’s a shame, too.

    Later in Genesis, God asks himself if he should hide his plans for destroying Sodom from Abraham (Genesis 18:17). Why would God not know what he’s going to do, and how could Abraham’s knowledge of the matter have any possible outcome on God’s ultimate decision to exercise his infinite power? On the other hand, perhaps God has good reason to worry since we’ve already established that he isn’t all-knowing or all-powerful as the Bible claims.

    When God is preparing to go on another murdering spree, he tells the people of Israel to smear blood on their doors so that he’ll know which homes are occupied by his chosen people (Exodus 12:13). With this directive completed, he’s free to kill all the Egyptian firstborn male children without accidentally harming an Israelite, but why does he need blood on the doors to serve as a reminder if he knows everything? Jonah, like Cain before him, was able to leave the presence of God (Jonah 1:3). According to Zephaniah, God will search through Jerusalem with candles and find people who scoff at him (1:12). Why would God need candles to see in the dark? Judges 1:19 says that God was with the men of Judah in a battle, yet they couldn’t drive out the enemies because the other side was riding upon chariots of iron. If God is with someone, shouldn’t this person be able to do the miracles that every other God-accompanied individual performs? Honestly, did authors bother to proofread their work centuries ago?


    The tower of Babel myth certainly is dumb.. There were and still are ancient watchtowers all over the ME. I have seen them.. I think they were used to watch for enemies coming from a distance or as signal towers at night.

    The tower of Babel story in particular seems to represent the collapse of a civilization into period of illiteracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fentoine Lum View Post
    Humankind created the notion of a male dominator god.
    seriously? Then who created human kind?

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    THE UNIVERSE DOES NOT REQUIRE A CREATOR.

    IT MAY BE A CREATION...AND IF IT IS, IT MAY HAVE A "CREATOR."

    BUT IT ALSO MAY NOT BE A CREATION...AND HAVE NO CREATOR.


    The notion "the universe requires a creator" is an invention of theists who want to posit a "creator" so they can offer their "creator" as that creator.

    Give up on this nonsense, because the only people who buy into it are people already convinced "their god" is the "creator" of the universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    [B][SIZE=4]THE UNIVERSE DOES NOT REQUIRE ...

    LIGHTS UP:
    I enter a doctor's office with my daughter and I say, "My daughter requires a therapist ..."

    Suddenly Frank Apisa enters and says, YOUR DAUGHTER DOES NOT REQUIRE A THERAPIST!!!!!!!!!!!!


    I say, "Who the hell is this guy?"

    -THE END-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    Why do I say this? For several reason, but the main one is that nothing physical can create itself. Therefore, the universe had a Creator. In order to refute this, you must first give an example of something creating itself. It's a scientific impossibility.
    So did a creator create the creator? And who created the creator that created the creator?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post

    The notion "the universe requires a creator" is an invention of theists

    So you're saying you have already studied and progressed through all the academic and spiritual and disciplines and experiences of all the sages ...

    And therefore your command of the topic makes you the Pundit?

    PANDITA
    pandit definition: a Sanskrit word meaning learned master, 1. a Hindu priest 2. a teacher or wise man 3. someone who plays a musical instrument very well.

    pandit also known as Guru

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloysious View Post
    So did a creator create the creator? And who created the creator that created the creator?
    A Creator = ???

    First was the Creator then comes the Creation.

    Without the presence of a Creator there is no use for a Creation.


    We are micro Creators ---but are Creations ie: shit, spit, semen, babies are via material facility.

    We are tiny souls are Taking repeated births since time immemorial [aka, samsara] and we create the same above elements each time.


    The supreme creator is the Original Person.

    The original person is aloof from the tiny souls.

    We learn over time who our real father is from our mother's mouth ---sometimes our mother had aborted us or was born real poor etc etc ...so we don't seek
    the original person that created us. But there is plenty of time passed around for all the souls in the sea of the material creation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloysious View Post
    And who created the creator that created the creator?
    In the Beginning was the Person ---and from him came all personal opulences--- with him in the center as the wellspring.

    We are all part and parcel spirit-soul sparks of the wellspring of Godhead's Personage.

    Here in the material cosmos we are jettisoned to seek re-union [literally aka: Yoga] with him ... or we seek to be king of the hill where ever we can.

    It's an eternal pastime on either path.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    A Creator = ???

    First was the Creator then comes the Creation.
    I thought it was physically impossible to appear from nothing.

    Funny, I'm in the middle of reading The Ancestor's Tale by the acclaimed atheist and evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins. Seriously cool book!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grugore View Post
    Why do I say this? For several reason, but the main one is that nothing physical can create itself. Therefore, the universe had a Creator. In order to refute this, you must first give an example of something creating itself. It's a scientific impossibility.
    Thanks, but I have no desire of embracing a male dominator god perceptual reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    So you're saying you have already studied and progressed through all the academic and spiritual and disciplines and experiences of all the sages ...

    And therefore your command of the topic makes you the Pundit?

    PANDITA
    pandit definition: a Sanskrit word meaning learned master, 1. a Hindu priest 2. a teacher or wise man 3. someone who plays a musical instrument very well.

    pandit also known as Guru
    YOU, my friend...are...


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