ABOUT CAPITAL PUNISHMENT!

[domer76]

I don't think innocent people should be put to death. But innocent people ARE put to death every day on planet Earth.



And I see that you do not know what you are talking about.

You said 10 years or death, didn’t you?

Whether innocent people are put to death elsewhere isn’t the question, is it? We’re talking about OUR judicial system, aren’t we?

Now, do you wish to answer the first question about executing innocent people or not?

[Frank Apisa]

At the cost of a human life? It had better be better than “the best job they can”. It had better be perfect.

If you are looking for perfect...I suggest you not be looking for it in any humans.

[Frank Apisa]

You said 10 years or death, didn’t you?

I said my personal opinion was that anything that deserved more than 10 years was too much. I'd prefer a death sentence to that.

Whether innocent people are put to death elsewhere isn’t the question, is it? We’re talking about OUR judicial system, aren’t we?

You asked about innocent people being put to death. If that is not the question...why did you ask.

If you are asking about our judicial system...ask about that.

Now, do you wish to answer the first question about executing innocent people or not?

I already did. What problem do you have with my answer?

[Ralph]

and you give a monetary reason to incarcerate people.


you can ask people to work

YOU CAN NOT FORCE THEM


your idea is horrible

Reality: The reason criminals are locked up has nothing to do with MONEY....they are locked up because they were caught in committing crimes against humanity. Owing someone money is a civil crime. Geeze....if you read what was presented and concluded that I said PEOPLE should be locked up because of money.....you are an idiot.

Really? You ask criminals to work? Laugh My Ass Off. The state owns their ass....its slavery by any other name. If you can ask them if they want to work for room and board....why can't they be asked if they wish to be locked away? Its no wonder this nation is going down the toilet. What? I suppose you call Work "cruel and unusual punishment"? FYI: its not an idea....its reality, prison is nothing but slavery. Name one inmate that is indentured to the state for crimes against humanity....that volunteered.

A monetary reason to be locked up? The "REASON" they are locked up is because they made a free will decision to become a criminal. The money must be spend on them simply to maintain their lives....to offset that expense, WORK THEIR ASSES OFF. I did not choose for them to be incarcerated....THEY DID, its called piss poor life management. Just like all liberals you even demand the criminals of this nation PLAY THE VICTIM CARD. What's next on your list....your no. 1 plan....RACE BAITING?

[domer76]

If you are looking for perfect...I suggest you not be looking for it in any humans.

For the death penalty, what is your acceptable error rate. 10%?. 5%?. Less? More?

[domer76]

I said my personal opinion was that anything that deserved more than 10 years was too much. I'd prefer a death sentence to that.



You asked about innocent people being put to death. If that is not the question...why did you ask.

If you are asking about our judicial system...ask about that.




I already did. What problem do you have with my answer?

Good. That is what YOU prefer for yourself. Was that the question in general?

Was the topic capital punishment in the US? Sure seemed like it when you referred to “the government” and “humane execution”. Are you moving the goalposts to the entire world or is that some sort of diversionary tactic? Regardless, let’s just stick with the US. The discussion of the death penalty of countries from Albania to Zimbabwe will get bogged down.

You said they already do in the rest of the world. Is that some sort of tacit approval to do so?

[Frank Apisa]

For the death penalty, what is your acceptable error rate. 10%?. 5%?. Less? More?

Whatever the level gets to for the time being.

Domer...so that we understand each other...I CONSIDER LONG PERIODS OF INCARCERATION TO BE ONE OF THE MOST VILE, SADISTIC, BARBARIC THINGS ANY HUMAN CAN DO TO ANY OTHER HUMAN.

If you take a sadistic, brutal murderer...and put him/her into prison for the rest of his/her life...in my opinion, you are doing an injustice to morality, to reason, to humanity. Putting a person to death, in my opinion, is much, much, much more humane and moral. And if that means some people die "erroneously"...that is unfortunate...VERY UNFORTUNATE...but acceptable.

Obviously you are of a different opinion.

I can live with that.

Okay?

[Frank Apisa]

Good. That is what YOU prefer for yourself. Was that the question in general?

Was the topic capital punishment in the US? Sure seemed like it when you referred to “the government” and “humane execution”. Are you moving the goalposts to the entire world or is that some sort of diversionary tactic? Regardless, let’s just stick with the US. The discussion of the death penalty of countries from Albania to Zimbabwe will get bogged down.

You said they already do in the rest of the world. Is that some sort of tacit approval to do so?

I said what?

[domer76]

Whatever the level gets to for the time being.

Domer...so that we understand each other...I CONSIDER LONG PERIODS OF INCARCERATION TO BE ONE OF THE MOST VILE, SADISTIC, BARBARIC THINGS ANY HUMAN CAN DO TO ANY OTHER HUMAN.

If you take a sadistic, brutal murderer...and put him/her into prison for the rest of his/her life...in my opinion, you are doing an injustice to morality, to reason, to humanity. Putting a person to death, in my opinion, is much, much, much more humane and moral. And if that means some people die "erroneously"...that is unfortunate...VERY UNFORTUNATE...but acceptable.

Obviously you are of a different opinion.

I can live with that.

Okay?

Why can’t you answer the direct question?

Nothing is perfect in this world. Including criminal convictions. So, for the death penalty proponents, there has to be an acceptable error level. What is yours? Are you willing to kill 1 innocent to get the other 99 guilty?

Good for you on what you consider. When YOU get sentenced to more than 10 years, ask them to kill you. But this isn’t about you, is it?

That’s where you and I will always disagree. It is NEVER acceptable to put an innocent person to death. A life sentence, one can correct errors. There are no do-overs with the death penalty.

[domer76]

I said what?

When asked about putting innocent people to death, you said:

“But innocent people ARE put to death every day on planet Earth.”

Keep up, Frank. This thread is only a couple pages long.

[Ralph]

When asked about putting innocent people to death, you said:

“But innocent people ARE put to death every day on planet Earth.”

Keep up, Frank. This thread is only a couple pages long.

Reality: Innocent people are placed to death under the current system of jurisprudence....why? Because the system has strayed from the effective policy of putting only those to death who are convicted via objective testable evidences of FACT. As I suggested before.....no one should be sentenced to death on circumstantial evidences including evidences garnered via modern technologies such as fingerprint and DNA evidences, as both are subject to human manipulation and have proven to be laced with error in the past due to these reasons.

However.....the death penalty should always be on the table for anyone that has spilled the blood of the innocent in a premeditated fashion when and if there is no doubt as to the guilt..i.e., when the crime has been directly witnessed by 3 or more individuals with no connection to the defendant....or when there is a plea of guilty along with overwhelming circumstantial evidences. There should be no appeal for the guilty, the punishment should be carried out as soon as possible to insure justice for both the state and those touched by such violence.

The death penalty is endorsed by Christianity as it was God who introduced the Justice of Blood for Blood (Genesis 9:5,6). Such justice is carried forth into the new testament of Christ (Romans 13:3,4). The only thing that I can add is the situation today where murderers are protected by what the seculars call LAW.....its a sad state when the government endorses abortion on demand and euthanasia (state endorsed suicide). If true justice were carried out any physicians taking the life of any child, unborn or born.....they alone with the mother should be subject to the death penalty.....there is nothing more innocent than the blood of a child, whose only crime is a crime of societal inconvenience.

[evince]

If you are looking for perfect...I suggest you not be looking for it in any humans.

so the correct thing to do is not OFF people UNLESS they want to be offed huh.

[domer76]

Reality: Innocent people are placed to death under the current system of jurisprudence....why? Because the system has strayed from the effective policy of putting only those to death who are convicted via objective testable evidences of FACT. As I suggested before.....no one should be sentenced to death on circumstantial evidences including evidences garnered via modern technologies such as fingerprint and DNA evidences, as both are subject to human manipulation and have proven to be laced with error in the past due to these reasons.

However.....the death penalty should always be on the table for anyone that has spilled the blood of the innocent in a premeditated fashion when and if there is no doubt as to the guilt..i.e., when the crime has been directly witnessed by 3 or more individuals with no connection to the defendant....or when there is a plea of guilty along with overwhelming circumstantial evidences. There should be no appeal for the guilty, the punishment should be carried out as soon as possible to insure justice for both the state and those touched by such violence.

The death penalty is endorsed by Christianity as it was God who introduced the Justice of Blood for Blood (Genesis 9:5,6). Such justice is carried forth into the new testament of Christ (Romans 13:3,4). The only thing that I can add is the situation today where murderers are protected by what the seculars call LAW.....its a sad state when the government endorses abortion on demand and euthanasia (state endorsed suicide). If true justice were carried out any physicians taking the life of any child, unborn or born.....they alone with the mother should be subject to the death penalty.

Fuck you and your holy book, Ralphie. It has no place in our legal system.

Fuck you and your abortion bullshit, Ralphie. This thread is about capital punishment in our legal system. Start another thread if you want to talk about that.

[Ralph]

Fuck you and your holy book, Ralphie. It has no place in our legal system.

Fuck you and your abortion bullshit, Ralphie. This thread is about capital punishment in our legal system. Start another thread if you want to talk about that.

Imagine that......no open bigotry here by someone professing LIBERALISM. And to suggest that Christianity has no place in our legal system when our entire system of jurisprudence is based upon a Judeo/Christian philosophy is typical for an ignorant secular who does not comprehend history actual or Christianity at its source. The left eyeball gang.

Lastly: If you don't want to know the answer....don't ask the question. Some individuals are simply to intelligent to chase your rabbits down a never ending circular hole.

[domer76]

Imagine that......no open bigotry here by someone professing LIBERALISM. And to suggest that Christianity has no place in our legal system when our entire system of jurisprudence is based upon a Judeo/Christian philosophy is typical for an ignorant secular who does not comprehend history actual or Christianity at its source. The left eyeball gang.

Lastly: If you don't want to know the answer....don't ask the question. Some individuals are simply to intelligent to chase your rabbits down a never ending circular hole.

Go to court and quote your holy book as a defense, Ralphie. See how far that gets you.

I know more about the legal system than you will ever know, so don’t spout your bullshit on what it’s based upon. Law is secular, asswipe, whether you wish it to be or not.

What question were you referring to, drunkard?