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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
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    I guess that phony quoting is allowed here...but only a loser would use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    I guess that phony quoting is allowed here...but only a loser would use it.
    I wouldn't have to use it if you were honest when you posted.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Threedee View Post
    If you hate an article of the Bill of Rights, you might just hate the Constitution.
    Another worthless “if/might” piece of feces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    I wouldn't have to use it if you were honest when you posted.......
    You are a loser...and you make up phony quotes.

    Live with the fact that you have deficient ethics.

    In the meantime, I will enjoy the laugh I got at that excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    the only time I speak the truth is when PMP writes what I say
    I know, right?.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    I am calling attention to the fact that a significant minority of the people want not to be governed at all. They deplore government…the single most important ingredient in civilized society.
    Do you have any support for the claim that "a significant minority of the people want not to be governed at all."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Threedee View Post
    If you hate an article of the Bill of Rights, you might just hate the Constitution.
    The framers were perfectly happy with the Constitution without the Bill of Rights. That is why they did not include it in the original document.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The framers were perfectly happy with the Constitution without the Bill of Rights. That is why they did not include it in the original document.
    No, neither the federalists nor the antifederalists were happy with the Constitution as it was. It was passed without for the purposes of expediency, desiring to replace the existing government as quickly as possible. A small handful of people didn't believe the federal government would pose a threat to the liberties eventually protected by the Bill of Rights, because they felt that state governments still wielded the vast majority of powers within the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Threedee View Post
    No, neither the federalists nor the antifederalists were happy with the Constitution as it was. It was passed without for the purposes of expediency, desiring to replace the existing government as quickly as possible. A small handful of people didn't believe the federal government would pose a threat to the liberties eventually protected by the Bill of Rights, because they felt that state governments still wielded the vast majority of powers within the country.
    The framers did not think the Bill of Rights were needed because the government was not given the power to restrict speech, press, etc. They were not left out in order to ratify the document quickly. They were left out because the framers thought they were not needed. The antifederalists feared the new constitution because it gave the central government much more power than it had under the Articles. The federalists agreed to add some amendments after the document was ratified if the antifederalists would support ratification (in NY). Turns out the antifederalists were right since the powers of the central government have been broadly interpreted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    One sees lots of variations on the theme, "You don't love (respect) the Constitution and Bill of Rights" crap here in this forum...almost always including "warnings" about the danger of "government" overreach.

    Well...I personally think there is MUCH LESS DANGER from government going amok...or from our government becoming tyrannical…than there is from our citizens being unwilling to be governed.

    I doubt any of us right now, except perhaps Donald Trump, wants a dictatorship; I doubt any of us, except perhaps Donald Trump, wants governmental tyranny.

    But THE REAL DANGER RIGHT NOW IN AMERICA does not come from the danger of dictatorship, even with that dictator wanna-be in office...or serious governmental overreach. It comes, rather, from the fact that a significant minority of the people want not to be governed at all. They deplore government…the single most important ingredient in civilized society.

    I suspect a lot of that absurdity was started during the first inaugural address by Ronald Reagan. As chief executive, he unwisely endorsed the notion of hatred of “being governed” with his (just about always, unfortunately, quoted out of context), “…government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”

    He was wrong…or at least, I sure as hell hope he was wrong, because if he was correct…democracy does not stand a chance of success. Democracy demands that government be a MAJOR FACTOR in the solution to problems…and there is no chance of democracy working if government truly is the problem.

    And government requires that the people being governed...CONSENT TO BEING GOVERNED.

    Just sayin’!
    Just calm down - calm down.

    At your age, you really need to be careful when you make the decision to climb on top of a soap box and begin ranting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The framers did not think the Bill of Rights were needed because the government was not given the power to restrict speech, press, etc. They were not left out in order to ratify the document quickly. They were left out because the framers thought they were not needed. The antifederalists feared the new constitution because it gave the central government much more power than it had under the Articles. The federalists agreed to add some amendments after the document was ratified if the antifederalists would support ratification (in NY). Turns out the antifederalists were right since the powers of the central government have been broadly interpreted.
    Only a small handful of men were naïve enough to believe that. The Bill of Rights was not left-out due to their content, but due to the time that it would have added to the convention to go through and debate each article. As it was, there were 12 articles proposed by the First Congress, and only ten of them passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Threedee View Post
    Only a small handful of men were naïve enough to believe that. The Bill of Rights was not left-out due to their content, but due to the time that it would have added to the convention to go through and debate each article. As it was, there were 12 articles proposed by the First Congress, and only ten of them passed.
    They weren't in that much of a hurry. They could have easily included those same provisions in the denied powers of Article 1, Section 9. There was no need to write and debate them separately.

    You probably know the story that one of the 2 proposed amendments that was not ratified originally was eventually ratified in 1992 to become the 27th amendment although it had basically become obsolete by the time it was ratified. Most of the credit for the ratification goes to a University of Texas student who took the task upon himself as part of a class paper for which he received a C. He recently returned to UT and his grade was change to A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    They weren't in that much of a hurry. They could have easily included those same provisions in the denied powers of Article 1, Section 9. There was no need to write and debate them separately.

    You probably know the story that one of the 2 proposed amendments that was not ratified originally was eventually ratified in 1992 to become the 27th amendment although it had basically become obsolete by the time it was ratified. Most of the credit for the ratification goes to a University of Texas student who took the task upon himself as part of a class paper for which he received a C. He recently returned to UT and his grade was change to A.
    Gotta love those spirited college kids! Interestingly, that is precisely how the Bill of Rights were written into the CSA constitution.

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