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    Without Virtue There Can Be No Liberty
    by Mount Liberty College | Jul 21, 2018 | Constitution

    By: J. David Gowdy

    Originally published at the Washington Jefferson Madison Institute



    To our Founding Fathers, it was obvious, or “self-evident,” that self-government, or a democratic republic, could only be perpetuated by the self-governed. Reflecting these precepts, a contemporary German writer to the Founders, J. W. von Goethe, stated: “What is the best government? — That which teaches us to govern ourselves.”[1] And, a later, prominent 19th Century minister, Henry Ward Beecher, simply said: “There is no liberty to men who know not how to govern themselves.”[2] Self-governance consists of self-regulation of our behavior, ambitions and passions. To this end, the Founders fundamentally believed that the ability to govern ourselves rests with our individual and collective virtue (or moral character).

    John Adams stated it this way, “Public virtue cannot exist in a Nation without private Virtue, and public Virtue is the only Foundation of Republics.”[3] In this regard, the revolutionary war was as much a battle against “the corruption of 18th century British high society,”[4] as it was against financial oppression. While the Founders and American colonists were very concerned with their civil liberty and economic freedom, demanding “no taxation without representation,” they were equally concerned with their religious liberty, particularly in preserving their rights of individual conscience and public morality.[5] With respect to the vital need for virtue in order to establish and maintain a republic, the Founders were in complete harmony:

    George Washington said: “Virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government,”[6] and “Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people.”[7]

    Benjamin Franklin said: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.” [8]

    James Madison stated: “To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical [imaginary] idea.”[9]

    Thomas Jefferson wrote, “No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and … their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice … These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government.”[10]

    Samuel Adams said: “Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue.”[11]

    Patrick Henry stated that: “A vitiated [impure] state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom.”[12]

    John Adams stated: “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”[13]

    Virtue ennobles individual character and lifts society as a whole. Virtuous principles eschew prejudice and discrimination, confirming that “all men are created equal.” Virtue encompasses characteristics of goodwill, patience, tolerance, kindness, respect, humility, gratitude, courage, honor, industry, honesty, chastity and fidelity. These precepts serve as the cornerstones for both individual happiness and societal governance.

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    The biden admin personifies corruption and tyranny.
    Morality is a set of attitudes and behaviors which facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships. --AssHatZombie

    Obamagate is Operation Crossfire Hurricane

    internationalist fascism: the belief that the interests of multinational corporations should be the sole focus of all national trade policies.

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    So, after all this...

    Why do you think the OP hates the constitution so much?
    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    Ok why might I be right on what you quoted?
    You might be right that "government" is not the most important ingredient of society...but that "morality" is.

    I doubt you are...BUT YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT.

    Why MIGHT you be right? Because even a blind squirrel with no sense of smell...MIGHT find an acorn once in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Trump wanted to subvert our democratic election system. He is the one who wants to be a tyrant.
    The United States never was a democracy.
    It is DEMOCRATS that caused the election to fault through election fraud.
    It is DEMOCRATS that fund and support the thugs burning, looting, and pillaging in the cities. It is DEMOCRATS that support both Antifa and BLM.
    It is DEMOCRATS that propose fascism such as government control of the energy markets, medical markets, consumer markets, etc.
    It is DEMOCRATS that want to censor opinions expressed on various social media sites.
    It is DEMOCRATS that want to take your money and wealth by force and distribute it to others that didn't earn it (communism).
    It is DEMOCRATS that created the Church of Green, the Church of Global Warming, and the Church of Covid, all fundamentalist style religions, all with the goal of implementing their fascism.
    It is DEMOCRATS that want to take away guns.
    It is DEMOCRATS behind Cancel Culture.
    It is DEMOCRATS that discard the Constitution of the United States, and the constitutions of every State.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Too bad for them...and perhaps too bad for our Republic.
    You don't want a republic. You support The Oligarchy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    So, after all this...

    Why do you think the OP hates the constitution so much?
    It gets in the way of The Oligarchy trying to implement fascism and communism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    The biden admin personifies corruption and tyranny.
    Your "brain" is corrupt and dishonest. That is so far from the ruth. We are returning to respect for the law after daffy Donald.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    It gets in the way of The Oligarchy trying to implement fascism and communism.
    Plutocracy is exactly what the Repubs have been trying to build. That is the only explanation for what Mcconnell does. It is also what trump was blundering into. Fascism is how the Trumpys operate. it has no traces in the Dem party. You are wildly misusing contradictory terms again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    I have all sorts of theories. I am not interested in my theories. I am interested in why someone who is a continuing Trump supporter would assert that government is not the most important ingredient of society, but rather that "morality" is.

    So...why???

    Huh???
    Because it's the truth?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Plutocracy is exactly what the Repubs have been trying to build. That is the only explanation for what Mcconnell does. It is also what trump was blundering into. Fascism is how the Trumpys operate. it has no traces in the Dem party. You are wildly misusing contradictory terms again.
    Give 2 examples of Trump fascism, pls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    So, after all this...

    Why do you think the OP hates the constitution so much?
    I doubt anyone here hates the Constitution at all...let alone, so much.

    The Constitution has served this Republic well for 250 years...and most likely will continue to serve it for many more. It has its faults...but most of the egregious faults simply cannot be remediated in today's political climate. Perhaps some time in the future we will grow up enough to make the much needed reforms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Because it's the truth?

    I KNOW it is the truth, Dickhead.

    He MIGHT be right.

    Which is a roundabout way of saying, "He might be wrong."

    I do not know for sure if he is or isn't right...which accounts for my use of the words, "might be."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    So, after all this...

    Why do you think the OP hates the constitution so much?
    I'd say its because it interferes with the lib'rul agenda......which he masquerades as "today's political climate".....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    I KNOW it is the truth, Dickhead.

    He MIGHT be right.

    Which is a roundabout way of saying, "He might be wrong."

    I do not know for sure if he is or isn't right...which accounts for my use of the words, "might be."
    Seems like you do not have a solid grasp on what morality is and the intent of our founders.

    I'll tell you he absolutely is right. See the difference?

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    LOL. I like all the serious answers. I thought I was being facetious.
    Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
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