If Coach Feis had had his firearm in school that day.....

[Bourbon]

I'm real hesitant on giving Teachers Guns ... and here's why.

Personally, I have a lot of Teachers and retired Teachers in my family, and know for a fact, you can't mandate that a Teacher do anything other than Teach ... period. Second, you'd have to find Teacher who are more than comfortable working with a Handgun on their side ... no easy for most people let alone an individual who's working with children.

Third; situational awareness distastes you don't have Gun Battles around Children ... nothing Good ever came of it.

[domer76]

Coach Feis was also a security guard there...the man owned a firearm. Sadly he was probably not allowed to carry it through the school.

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Colton Haab, a 17-year-old student at Stoneman Douglas High School, was a hero in his own right during Wednesday’s shooting. Haab, a junior ROTC member, told Fox News that he shielded his classmates with bulletproof kevlar mats as the shooter swept the halls.

“We lined [the students] up into the wall and along the back of the wall…and from there I was standing with my first sergeant and I said, ‘these are kevlar, these are bulletproof material,'” Haab recalled. “We started moving the kevlar sheets forward.”

Haab also revealed that he believes Coach Aaron Feis, who died while shielding students with his body, could’ve stopped the shooter if he had his firearm with him in school.

“Unfortunately, gun control, it’s definitely needed a little bit more,” he explained. “I believe if we did bring firearms on campus to teachers that are willing to carry…and they got their correct training for it, I think that would be a big beneficial factor for school safety.”

“If Coach Feis had had his firearm in school that day, I believe that he most likely could’ve stopped the threat,” Haab asserted.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/17/st...ing-coach-gun/

“If” and “believe” is nothing more than suppositional wishes.

[domer76]

Gun control isn't school safety

If guns won't make schools safe, why do we deploy them in other places?

Why do we have people with GUNS protecting the President and Congress?

Why do we have people with GUNS protecting airports?

Can you explain that?

Heavy surveillance, huge POLICE presence 24/7. You conservative fucks aren’t willing to provide adequate funding fir schools now. Nor do you trust teachers with educating your kids.

So now you’re going to trust them with guns and arm every school in the country like the Capitol Mall? No you’re not, liars.

[Mr.Badguy]

Arming teachers should honestly be a last resort, not the first line of defense. It's like having sex and relying on the plan B pill for your birth control.

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Arming teachers should honestly be a last resort, not the first line of defense. It's like having sex and relying on the plan B pill for your birth control.

yet that is the position of the left, so........

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Heavy surveillance, huge POLICE presence 24/7. You conservative fucks aren’t willing to provide adequate funding fir schools now. Nor do you trust teachers with educating your kids.

So now you’re going to trust them with guns and arm every school in the country like the Capitol Mall? No you’re not, liars.

Who said 24/7?

Just when kids are there. We have plenty of money to afford it. Just cut teacher pay

[Althea]

Coach Feis was also a security guard there...the man owned a firearm. Sadly he was probably not allowed to carry it through the school.

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Colton Haab, a 17-year-old student at Stoneman Douglas High School, was a hero in his own right during Wednesday’s shooting. Haab, a junior ROTC member, told Fox News that he shielded his classmates with bulletproof kevlar mats as the shooter swept the halls.

“We lined [the students] up into the wall and along the back of the wall…and from there I was standing with my first sergeant and I said, ‘these are kevlar, these are bulletproof material,'” Haab recalled. “We started moving the kevlar sheets forward.”

Haab also revealed that he believes Coach Aaron Feis, who died while shielding students with his body, could’ve stopped the shooter if he had his firearm with him in school.

“Unfortunately, gun control, it’s definitely needed a little bit more,” he explained. “I believe if we did bring firearms on campus to teachers that are willing to carry…and they got their correct training for it, I think that would be a big beneficial factor for school safety.”

“If Coach Feis had had his firearm in school that day, I believe that he most likely could’ve stopped the threat,” Haab asserted.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/17/st...ing-coach-gun/

Good thing. There'd be 40 dead

[Mr.Badguy]

yet that is the position of the left, so........

And the position of much of the right is to teach abstinence only, which in this metaphor would be a complete ban on guns.

[Althea]

this is how you fail. cops are armed government enforcement. nothing more, nothing less. If they were human and prone to mistakes like we civilians do, they would also be held accountable for them but they are not. they are given qualified immunity as government agents, therefore they are government.

https://bearingarms.com/mike-m/2016/...s-responsible/

A careful, but hardly exhaustive, study of reality reveals that common knowledge is wrong: where firearms are involved, the police are not highly trained professionals. That many people buy this misconception is understandable. Americans are raised on a steady diet of cop TV shows and movies where the heroes, virtually every episode, end up shooting bad guys, usually dropping them with single, perfectly placed, shots, or even shooting to wound, which virtually always immediately drops and incapacitates the bad guy.
The truth is—and should be—frightening: the overwhelming majority of police officers are not competent shooters.

Iin a September, 2013 article—New York City Police Shoot Up the Citizenry Again—I wrote about one of several shootings where the police accidently shot citizens. In one infamous case, two officers shot not only an actual killer, but nine innocent bystanders. Fortunately, all of them survived. In almost all of these recent shootings, the officers were justified in using deadly force. They just couldn’t help shooting up the innocent.

[Althea]

Arming teachers should honestly be a last resort, not the first line of defense. It's like having sex and relying on the plan B pill for your birth control.

Actually, that's 100% more effective than relying on teachers with guns. For those capable of rational thought...what do you think the school's liability insurance would look like?

I'm betting they wouldn't be able to get a policy

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And the position of much of the right is to teach abstinence only, which in this metaphor would be a complete ban on guns.

I knew you would make this argument

Point of fact is this

If a women practices abstinence, there is ZERO chance she will get pregnant. ZERO. No way.

If we ban all guns will there be a ZERO chance of dying from a gun?

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I think this kind of thing really needs to be considered. It obviously opens up other areas of risk, but it would have to be strictly controlled - particularly where the designated teachers (who would of course need to be volunteers) keep their weapon and how they secure it.

[Mr.Badguy]

I knew you would make this argument

Point of fact is this

If a women practices abstinence, there is ZERO chance she will get pregnant. ZERO. No way.

If we ban all guns will there be a ZERO chance of dying from a gun?

If everyone adheres to the gun ban, yes. Just like if the woman actually adheres to the practice of abstinence. B-b-but that won't happen, you might say. EXACTLY MY POINT.

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If everyone adheres to the gun ban, yes. Just like if the woman actually adheres to the practice of abstinence. B-b-but that won't happen, you might say. EXACTLY MY POINT.

Yeah, so here is the problem with your argument.

Someone who is intent on killing someone isn't going to follow the laws

A woman who chooses not to practice abstinence really isn't serious about not getting pregnant.

You can't win this argument.

You aren't serious about protecting our children if you don't support armed guards at schools. Why do you hate children?

[Stretch]

Personally I prefer starting out with measured attempts of school security. Like the teacher said at the Trump meeting yesterday. Make use of limited entrances and exits and put in the metal detectors for a start. Fight about other resolutions and gun laws later. Just start installing these measures NOW. Also, add more already-trained armed guards at strategic locations on the grounds. Why not? They're already at airports, jewelry stores, concerts, government buildings, malls, sporting events, etc.