the 13 Russian nationals and 3 firms were/are based in St. Petersburg, RU

[Darth Omar]

or he could be done with da Russians collusion..or the dude could just be getting started.
Special prosecutors mandates are unlimited in practice; they run off a general warrant

They do have a general warrant.

Which raises an obvious question: why doesn’t Mueller go after the Dossier?

If the Russians were running a disinformation campaign in the election in order sow discord [Mueller affirmed that] then the Dossier is obviously suspect, because it originated with Russians.

Let that thought sink in.

[dukkha]

They do have a general warrant.

Which raises an obvious question: why doesn’t Mueller go after the Dossier?

If the Russians were running a disinformation campaign in the election in order sow discord [Mueller affirmed that] then the Dossier is obviously suspect, because it originated with Russians.

Let that thought sink in.

is the Dossier criminal by birth/ in nature?

we would have been much better served -as Dershowitz comments- by a commission rather then a special prosecutor.

Of course you can look at the existing Congressional commissions/committees -and you see how rank partisans like Schiff de-rail attempts to find info instead of scoring cheap political points..

The Russians really had no need to "sow discord" -we do that well enough ourselves

[Darth Omar]

is the Dossier criminal by birth/ in nature?

we would have been much better served -as Dershowitz comments- by a commission rather then a special prosecutor.

Of course you can look at the existing Congressional commissions/committees -and you see how rank partisans like Schiff de-rail attempts to find info instead of scoring cheap political points..

The Russians really had no need to "sow discord" -we do that well enough ourselves

The absence of criminality hasn’t stopped Mueller yet lol.

What I was getting at is that by investigating the Dossier, Mueller runs the risk of undermining the basis for his own investigation.

[dukkha]

The absence of criminality hasn’t stopped Mueller yet lol.

What I was getting at is that by investigating the Dossier, Mueller runs the risk of undermining the basis for his own investigation.

they play it both ways "Mueller subsumed the counter-intelligence investigation"
or
"Muellers investigation is independent of the Strzok led investigation"

it's all horse shit.

[Darth Omar]

they play it both ways "Mueller subsumed the counter-intelligence investigation"
or
"Muellers investigation is independent of the Strzok led investigation"

it's all horse shit.

Totally.

Mueller is faced with a PR problem though. Anyone even paying half a mind to this are going start asking why Mueller doesn’t investigate the democrat’s Russian collusion. When it’s factual lol! The DNC and Hillary REALLY DID collude with the Russians before the election. It’s not even debatable.

Maybe he really is a Deep State tool and doesn’t want to go there because it would do nothing to get rid of Trump.

But it’s the only way Mueller can get rid of the Witch Hunt label.

[PostmodernProphet]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...el-Russia.html

See section b, article iii, which refers to this:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.4

This is fully within the scope of his mandate.

so basically the argument is, its within the scope of the mandate because the scope of the mandate is infinite........

[PostmodernProphet]

Just asking... so does Mueller expect Russian officials to extradite these guys to the U.S. ? Or are these guys still in the U.S. ? WTF?

If these 13 are still in Russia then this indictment is purely cosmetic and meaningless, or am I wrong here?

its part of the process......indictment leads to warrant for arrest.......if they never enter the US the warrant cannot be issued.......thus no trial ever happens......I believe in some countries people can be tried in abstensia...not the US.....

In the 1993 case Crosby v. United States, the Supreme Court ruled that federal law "prohibits the trial in absentia of a defendant who is not present at the beginning of trial."

[countryboy]

So basically these indictments are cosmetic.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

But, evince says Meuller has some of them in custody, and they are going to sing like boids. And THIS time, Trump's really really really really really really really REALLY going down to China Town.

[archives]

That wasn't his mandate. He has yet to show anything on the mandate.

Was exactly his mandate, read Rosenstein's memo appointing the Special Council, it is the stated main goal of the investigation

[archives]

They’re laughing their asses off lol.

You’re OP is right: the indictments were cosmetic. About the only thing that can be said for them is they make it official: the Russians meddled in the election—-and that their meddling was non-partisan. If the Russians *didn’t* meddle in the election it would be remarkable because they always do.

Why we needed an SP and a fleet of lawyers to find this out is beyond me. I thought this is why we had intelligence agencies. They are better at counterintelligence operations and much, much, cheaper.

The laugh is on us.

That's the avoid avoid rationale, Mueller just cut off Trump at the knees, blew up his "hoax" fabrication, and this Trumpkin thinks it is all "just cosmetic".

At the very least, Mueller has made it even more difficult now for Trump to fire him, can't claim his investigation is a witch hunt since he has now established proof Russia was involved

[archives]

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

But, evince says Meuller has some of them in custody, and they are going to sing like boids. And THIS time, Trump's really really really really really really really REALLY going down to China Town.

He's got two canaries now and all indications are that Gates is about to turn, and he is just getting into the inner circle of the White House, zero chance someone, if not several, doesn't come out serving time when this is all concluded

[countryboy]

He's got two canaries now and all indications are that Gates is about to turn, and he is just getting into the inner circle of the White House, zero chance someone, if not several, doesn't come out serving time when this is all concluded

Lol

[PraiseKek]

Yes, what Mueller did Friday was debunk the President's repeated claim that the whole idea of Russia being involved in our election was a hoax perpetuated by Democrats cause they were angry they lost the election.

Seriously stfu with your repeated lies you stupid little faggot, number 1) swaying the election was not the goal it was to sow political discord and undermine faith in our democracy and you fell for it hook, line, and, sinker, 2) Trump was referring to the bullshit collusion narrative and said he agreed with the intelligence agencies months ago:

“The indictment alleges that the Russian conspirators want to promote discord in the United States and undermine public confidence in democracy. We must not allow them to succeed,” Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said Friday.

http://time.com/5163141/robert-muell...-interference/


"I have seen all of the Russian ads and I can say very definitively that swaying the election was *NOT* the main goal,"

"The majority of Russian ad spend happened AFTER the election," --

Facebook VP of ads Rob Goldman tweeted.

http://www.businessinsider.com/rob-g...d-tweet-2018-2

"I believe that he feels that he and Russia did not meddle in the election," Trump said of Putin at a news conference with Vietnam's president in Hanoi. "As to whether I believe it, I'm with our agencies."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...111-story.html

Now wait ten minutes, pretend this post never happened, and repeat your bullshit claims you Russian bot disinformation agent POS.

[PraiseKek]

He's got two canaries now

You're just too fucking stupid to live, that's not how compelled testimony works, you don't charge them with the federal equivalent of jaywalking you charge them with the conspiracy:

Notice that Mueller did not make Papadopoulos plead guilty to collusion with Russia. For a prosecutor, there is nothing better than getting a cooperating accomplice to admit guilt to the scheme the prosecutor is investigating. It goes a long way toward proving that the scheme existed. Once you’ve got that, it’s much easier to prove that the cooperator’s confederates are guilty, too. But even though there’s a great deal of evidence that Papadopoulos colluded with Russia, there’s no charge along those lines. There’s just a single false-statement charge on which, according to the plea agreement, he’s probably looking at no jail time, and certainly no more than six months. Why no collusion charge? Because collusion is not a crime.

Thus, I think the Papadopoulos guilty plea helps Trump in two ways.

First, it underscores that, whatever “collusion” might have happened, at this point there is no criminal-conspiracy case. Even though Mueller has patently gotten cooperation from Papadopoulos, there is no indication that the defendant has provided any evidence that comes close to implicating the president in a crime.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/...lpatory-trump/

[Nordberg]

is the Dossier criminal by birth/ in nature?

we would have been much better served -as Dershowitz comments- by a commission rather then a special prosecutor.

Of course you can look at the existing Congressional commissions/committees -and you see how rank partisans like Schiff de-rail attempts to find info instead of scoring cheap political points..

The Russians really had no need to "sow discord" -we do that well enough ourselves

That is exactly what the Russians were doing. That is made clear to anyone who can read. There is no disputing it. Facebook says it ran 126 million fake news posts. Fox Gnus runs them night and day. However 13 Russians indicted tells you nothing? The troll factory is hard for you to understand? The Russians said sowing chaos was their aim, but when Trump came along, they had the hammer and sickle they needed. Trump is damaging America in profound ways. He is incompetent. The Russians won.