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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    I have no problem with people who cannot make up their own minds.....
    Neither do I.

    But saying that I will not guess there are gods...and I also will not guess there are no gods...

    ...is not refusing to make up one's mind.

    I think it IS making up one's mind...and choosing the most logical option on the question.

    But I have no problem with people who have to guess one way or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Indeed.....the word "believe" requires a leap of faith. A true Atheist would be able to declare....THERE ARE/IS NO gODS, and proceed to document this statement with objective, testable, repeatable evidences of fact. Thus: The Atheist is an "oxymoron" of self contradiction. If you can't PROVE there is no GOD....then you are working on faith alone, something the Atheist states they do not believe in.
    Anyone who asserts, "There are no gods" or "It is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one"...IS MAKING A BLIND GUESS.

    Anyone who asserts, "There is a God" or "It is more likely that there is a God than that there is no God"...IS ALMOST CERTAINLY MAKING A BLIND GUESS, also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Good question.
    Nothing physical requires a Creator? We live in a world of magic. If you start with -0- you end with nothing. With no creating CAUSE to a physical effect there can be no people to ask stupid questions.

    The question was back asswards. The real question is why does a creator/GOD....need us? But its typical of someone that worships at the alter of human secularism to place their own worth above that which caused them to be. Somehow when 1 is subtracted from 3.....1 becomes greater than 3 the constant from which it was taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Good question.
    Tell the truth? Hell man you can't even answer honestly. If God exists and you say he doesn't you sure as hell aren't telling the truth.

    But back to the debate: I don't give a fat rats ass whether you or anyone else believes. That is your choice case closed.

    PS
    You do know that Chicken Woman claims to be a Wiccan and so she worships something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle Eye View Post
    Tell the truth? Hell man you can't even answer honestly. If God exists and you say he doesn't you sure as hell aren't telling the truth.

    But back to the debate: I don't give a fat rats ass whether you or anyone else believes. That is your choice case closed.

    PS
    You do know that Chicken Woman claims to be a Wiccan and so she worships something.
    you don't believe


    you are hedging your bets


    you don't sound like someone who honors the words of Jesus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Nothing physical requires a Creator? We live in a world of magic. If you start with -0- you end with nothing. With no creating CAUSE to a physical effect there can be no people to ask stupid questions.

    The question was back asswards. The real question is why does a creator/GOD....need us? But its typical of someone that worships at the alter of human secularism to place their own worth above that which caused them to be. Somehow when 1 is subtracted from 3.....1 becomes greater than 3 the constant from which it was taken.
    I am unsure of what you are saying here.

    If you are saying you know for certain that "the universe" is a Creation and requires a Creator...

    ...explain how you know...and we can discuss it.

    You may be correct.

    ME: I do not know...and I am not making any guesses.

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    there is no system we have already begun to understand scientifically that requires a GOD to make it happen


    that means there is no god in the system

    I also don't believe in the cracken for the same reasons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle Eye View Post
    Tell the truth? Hell man you can't even answer honestly. If God exists and you say he doesn't you sure as hell aren't telling the truth.
    Jesus H. Christ, Eagle Eye...read the goddam title of the thread...and read what I have been saying.

    I am not saying your god does NOT exist. I have never said that. EVER! So how about you stop putting words into my mouth.

    I do not know if any gods exist or not. I DO NOT KNOW....if any gods, including that thing you call "God"...exists or not.

    I am NOT saying any god DOES EXIST...and I am NOT saying any gods DO NOT EXIST.

    I am telling the truth.


    But back to the debate: I don't give a fat rats ass whether you or anyone else believes. That is your choice case closed.
    So what the hell are you doing here?

    Obviously YOU DO CARE...or you would not even be participating.

    I'd like to hear your thoughts on the issue...but if you truly think the case is closed...go back to a thread talking about Donald Trump. That is not closed.

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    You do know that Chicken Woman claims to be a Wiccan and so she worships something.
    If someone worships something or not...I judge what they have to say, and comment on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    there is no system we have already begun to understand scientifically that requires a GOD to make it happen


    that means there is no god in the system

    I also don't believe in the cracken for the same reasons
    The fact that there is no reason for a GOD to exist...does NOT mean no gods exist.

    That is horrible logic.

    Some people guess a particular god exists. Fine...that is their guess. I don't even mind if instead of saying, "I guess a god exists"...they say, "I believe a god exists."

    Whatever floats their boats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Jesus H. Christ, Eagle Eye...read the goddam title of the thread...and read what I have been saying.

    I am not saying your god does NOT exist. I have never said that. EVER! So how about you stop putting words into my mouth.

    I do not know if any gods exist or not. I DO NOT KNOW....if any gods, including that thing you call "God"...exists or not.

    I am NOT saying any god DOES EXIST...and I am NOT saying any gods DO NOT EXIST.

    I am telling the truth.




    So what the hell are you doing here?

    Obviously YOU DO CARE...or you would not even be participating.

    I'd like to hear your thoughts on the issue...but if you truly think the case is closed...go back to a thread talking about Donald Trump. That is not closed.



    If someone worships something or not...I judge what they have to say, and comment on that.
    Yep that's you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle Eye View Post
    Yep that's you.
    Still here, I see.

    Yeah. I think you might "care" a lot more than you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    The fact that there is no reason for a GOD to exist...does NOT mean no gods exist.

    That is horrible logic.

    Some people guess a particular god exists. Fine...that is their guess. I don't even mind if instead of saying, "I guess a god exists"...they say, "I believe a god exists."

    Whatever floats their boats.
    there is no need for any god in any of the science we have figured out


    a system doesn't present any need for the craken either

    or discompleiatenates


    or sunbranatious vectations

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    there is no need for any god in any of the science we have figured out
    I agree with you completely, Evince. THERE IS NO NEED FOR ANY GOD. PERIOD.

    That does not mean there are no gods...just that there is no need for one.

    There is no need for the color red...but there is a color red.

    There is no need for an island at coordinates 24.3768° S, 128.3242° W...but there is one...luckily for Fletcher Christian and his crew.

    The fact that there is no need for a thing...does not mean it does not exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    I don't do "believing."

    Obviously you DO care what I do not believe...or you wouldn't be here in a tizzy like you are.
    A tizzy? Silly you.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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