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    Yeah,, we have a gun problem. So the rightys say the answer is more guns. We have a drug problem. Is the Republican answer more drugs? Can they think at all ? Like arming teachers. It is sophistical at best. Who pays for the teachers liability insurance. Who pays the wrongful death suits? Who covers the accidental deaths or wounding? Forensics would have a ball determining which bullets are the bad guys and which the teachers. The right is so wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Okay, listen up NRA flunkies and republican/conservative wonks. To prevent shootings like what recently happened in Florida, you do the following:

    1. Reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban. Had this been in place, Cruz would NOT have had an AR-15 in his possession.

    2. Treat ALL weapons like an automobile. This means that they have to be licensed and registered, and the owner has to pass a written and physical competency test. This will severely cut down on the trafficking of illegal gun sales and greatly assist in the tracking of guns used in a crime.

    Got that?
    1) There is no such thing as an assault weapon. There are assault rifles and they are already banned.

    2) You have to then amend the Constitution. Until then, you cannot do so. That said... for the sake of discussion lets assume your plan was in place. How exactly does that stop illegal gun sales?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Yeah,, we have a gun problem. So the rightys say the answer is more guns. We have a drug problem. Is the Republican answer more drugs? Can they think at all ? Like arming teachers. It is sophistical at best. Who pays for the teachers liability insurance. Who pays the wrongful death suits? Who covers the accidental deaths or wounding? Forensics would have a ball determining which bullets are the bad guys and which the teachers. The right is so wrong.
    These incidents can be at least lessened by making schools ‘non gun free zones’.

    One day it will don on people these psychos go for soft targets. Or we can keep doing what we’ve been doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    What's to explain? You're talking about ILLEGAL transactions....hell, cops have been trying to stop the "Saturday Night Special" type dealings for decades....but it's hard to do when some joker can just bop to a state with minimum requirements for purchasing and then sneak them into another state with more stricter rules (see stories about the "iron pipe line" and NYC).
    the above is one of the main reasons there can be no debate.......it's because you're clueless how gun sales work. the FEDERAL background check is the same in every state. it's not more lax in one state than another because it's FEDERAL

    really, you should quit while you're just a little behind.
    And once again, you demonstrate the lie that is your screen name. An easy google search shows the following: Known as the "gun show loophole," most states do not require background checks for firearms purchased at gun shows from private individuals -- federal law only requires licensed dealers to conduct checks.

    And then there is this:

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b08f96c182dc38

    And to clarify my previous response point:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-gun-laws.html

    I suggest you get your head from up your behind and deal with reality, logic and FACTS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post


    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post

    “How about with how much handguns go for on the black market?”

    Agent Mulham said, “Well, a quality pistol like a Glock might go for double or triple retail. Lower-quality guns, however, are often worth only $100 or $200 more than retail.”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankmi.../#15cf1148181e

    that is absolute crap. I bought my glock off the street in a private sale for 75% of retail.
    That's a "private sale" you simpleton....the link I provided was talking about the BLACK MARKET (illegal gun sales by and for the criminal element)! I posted that to show how unlikely it is for a nut like Cruz to go the black market when he could easily go to a licensed dealer (he had no criminal record or outstanding psych record) and get an assault rifle at a reasonable price.

    Jeez, learn to READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY, will ya please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by leaningright View Post
    If you are for reinstating the AWB that means you are in favor of banning guns. General public, these guns are banned from being purchased by you. I lived through the Clinton AWB. Had a gun that was grandfathered in. Here is what it looked like:



    After the ban went into effect you couldn’t buy them. They quit manufacturing them. They were banned. I’m not bandying about anything here. Just calling a spade a spade.
    Not quite. FYI: https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...48#post2231948
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post


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    Really? Care to provide proof that one could buy an AR-15 (style) weapon under the AWB? because that would mean the manufacturer tried subterfuge to skirt the law. Did you look into legal wrangling that happened over such? Bet you didn't.
    the AWB had to define what it prohibited. After the list of defining characteristics were prohibited, a simple cosmetic change to the weapon made it perfectly legal to sell.
    No shit sherlock....that resulted in the following:

    http://www.mass.gov/ago/public-safety/awbe.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish View Post
    Still didn't answer the question. But nice try.
    What part of "NO, STUPID....." did you not understand? Once more for the cheap seats: Cruz went the legal route and got his assault rifle....meaning that he was registered and on file. Someone stated that he could have easily got it illegally. I pointed out that given the high mark up of weapons on the illegal market, Cruz wouldn't go that route (criminals do, not jobs don't). Mind you, if the AWB was in place, Cruz could have gone to a private dealer/owner and bought said weapon. My POINT is that if you remove such weapons from general sales, you remove one more efficient killing machine of choice (i.e., mass shootings in the last 30 years) from the general population. Cruz would have had to use another weapon to commit his crime....but it would not have been his weapon of choice and would not give him the efficiency he craved.

    Got that now, stupid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Great suggestions, or we could have a giant firing squad and murder all republicans.
    No, I'm not into that....just the proposals I put forth to try and stem the problem a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    1) There is no such thing as an assault weapon. There are assault rifles and they are already banned.

    2) You have to then amend the Constitution. Until then, you cannot do so. That said... for the sake of discussion lets assume your plan was in place. How exactly does that stop illegal gun sales?????
    1) https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/21/defi...ous-issue.html
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

    2) There is no Constitutional Amendment needed to license and register all weapons like we do cars, since that would NOT prohibit anyone who can afford it from purchasing said weapon, as they do now. As for illegal gun sales, my proposal would reduce the number of illegal gun sales (i.e., the iron pipeline), as it would make it more difficult for the criminal element to use shills to purchase their merchandise. Out right theft is yet another law enforcement issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    I asked for proof in relation to your previous statement, because the list of weapons under the AWB was quite clear. YOU made a statement, the burden of proof is on YOU. That's how it works in a debate, toodles...just ask any high school kid on the debate team. If you can't provide proof or don't really know WTF you're babbling about, then don't waste my time with these lame dodges, because I'm not doing your homework for you.
    It banned FEATURES. You couldn't have a rifle with a detachable magazine and 2 or more of the following.
    Pistol grip
    Bayonet lug
    Grenade launcher
    Flash hider
    Folding/telescoping stock.

    Any one of those features on a semi auto rifle was fine. So if you made an AR without a flash hider or bayonet lug, it was legal.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-...bill/3355/text

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    These incidents can be at least lessened by making schools ‘non gun free zones’.

    One day it will don on people these psychos go for soft targets. Or we can keep doing what we’ve been doing.
    Has it dawned on you that America had it's period where any and everyone could purchase a gun? How did that work out? If morphed into local town sheriffs not allowing guns into towns, gun registration, etc., etc. But let's say for the sake of argument that we allow gun owning teachers to carry (concealed or otherwise) on school grounds.....are these teachers going to be vetted and trained in how to use said weapon in a crisis situation? Psych evaluations? Intense background checks? And who is going to pay for all of this, because teachers around the country can't even get a decent budget for stationary yet money will be provided for a glock?

    And all this BS because flunkies and dupes for the gun manufacturers want unnecessary weapons in circulation. GMAFB!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peridot View Post
    It banned FEATURES. You couldn't have a rifle with a detachable magazine and 2 or more of the following.
    Pistol grip
    Bayonet lug
    Grenade launcher
    Flash hider
    Folding/telescoping stock.

    Any one of those features on a semi auto rifle was fine. So if you made an AR without a flash hider or bayonet lug, it was legal.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-...bill/3355/text
    Here's how I educated your like minded brethren:

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...48#post2231948

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...84#post2231984

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...11#post2232011

    read it all carefully and comprehensively, and you should see how your myopia erroneously supports your contentions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Here's how I educated your like minded brethren:

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...48#post2231948

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...84#post2231984

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...11#post2232011

    read it all carefully and comprehensively, and you should see how your myopia erroneously supports your contentions.
    I am quoting DIRECTLY from the law you dipshit. Do you not know how to read it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
    Here's how I educated your like minded brethren:

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...48#post2231948

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...84#post2231984

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...11#post2232011

    read it all carefully and comprehensively, and you should see how your myopia erroneously supports your contentions.
    TaiChi, you did not "educate" me. I was trying to politely point out an error in your view of the way the law was actually written and enforced. Now you can go fuck yourself. You are flat out wrong.

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